Welcome to SomaliNet Forums, a friendly and gigantic Somali centric active community. Login to hide this block

You are currently viewing this page as a guest. By joining our community you will have the ability to post topics, ask questions, educate others, use the advanced search, subscribe to threads and access many, many other features. Registration is quick, simple and absolutely free. Join SomaliNet forums today! Please note that registered members with over 50 posts see no ads whatsoever! Are you new to SomaliNet? These forums with millions of posts are just one section of a much larger site. Just visit the front page and use the top links to explore deep into SomaliNet oasis, Somali singles, Somali business directory, Somali job bank and much more. Click here to login. If you need to reset your password, click here. If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Muslim Converts to Islam and the difficulties they face

Daily chitchat.

Moderators: Moderators, Junior Moderators

Forum rules
This General Forum is for general discussions from daily chitchat to more serious discussions among Somalinet Forums members. Please do not use it as your Personal Message center (PM). If you want to contact a particular person or a group of people, please use the PM feature. If you want to contact the moderators, pls PM them. If you insist leaving a public message for the mods or other members, it will be deleted.
OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE
User avatar
Lil_Cutie..
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 4791
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:01 am
Location: At the End of the Rainbow...

Re: Muslim Converts to Islam and the difficulties they face

Postby Lil_Cutie.. » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:16 am

Thats pretty sad, this story.. Well, all I can say is Islam and Muslims are two different things. Its ashame, but MashaAllah good to hear his sticking with the path of Allah and that hasn't distroyed it for him.

I always thought Cairo was one of the decent countries.. Hmmm!

*Arabman
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2297
Joined: Fri May 04, 2007 2:17 pm

Re: Muslim Converts to Islam and the difficulties they face

Postby *Arabman » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:57 pm

This is the complete article which FAH1223 copy/pasted:
==========================================================

An American Muslim in Cairo

A native Californian's recent visit to Egypt becomes one of religious discovery and cultural disillusionment.

By Borzou Daragahi, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 2, 2007

CAIRO -- Friday morning came, and the broad-shouldered young African American made his way to the sedated city's ancient quarters. He walked the streets with the determined gait of a football receiver to Al Azhar Mosque, arriving just as the muezzin's call to prayer summoned the faithful.

Suddenly, the outgoing Californian ceased his banter and gaped, awestruck, at the intricately carved minarets reaching for the heavens, the browns, reds, greens and blues interwoven into masterful calligraphy.

Salahudin Ali was a long way from the drab office buildings used as mosques in the Bay Area, where he grew up, or the small student lounge he and his friends used as a prayer room at college in Oregon.

"You just get kind of shy," he said. "It's like being around a very pretty girl. You almost blush if you look."

This summer, the 22-year-old Portland State University pre-law student pursued a years-long dream. The young Muslim traveled to Cairo to broaden his understanding of his faith, following the path forged by Malcolm X, whose thinking about race relations changed after he visited Egypt and other parts of the Mideast and Africa.

At first, his voyage of discovery was a thrill ride. He was welcomed by Egyptians ecstatic to find not only an American-born Muslim, but one named after one of Islam's greatest heroes: Salahudin, the warrior who pushed the Crusaders out of Jerusalem and raised a hilltop fortress in this very city.

But Ali brought his American tendency for criticism and skepticism to a part of the world that values obedience and cohesion above all. He challenged much of what he saw, and ultimately he found himself uncomfortable in the heart of the Muslim world.

"This place went from like cool to weird in the last week," Ali said in the days before he left. "I'm ready to get back home. I'm kind of tired right now."

ConversionAli wasn't born into a Muslim family. He lived with his mother in the rough East Bay city of Vallejo until he was 9. When a SWAT team raided the home of his baby-sitter and found drugs, Ali's no-nonsense father, a career airman, took him and his twin brother to Travis Air Force Base, where he and his own brother, Andre, were stationed.

Uncle Andre exposed Ali and his brother, Mika'il, to the faith that both formally adopted as adults, a faith Ali said he felt drawn to because of its diverse adherents and commitment to justice.

Ali changed his name from Anthony Thompson two years ago, Mika'il from Vincent Thompson. Both played football at New Mexico State University before transferring to Portland State.

Cultural and class differences have long formed a barrier between African American Muslims and immigrant believers as well as within the black community between the Nation of Islam and those practicing mainstream Sunni Islam.

But Ali belongs to a new group of African American Muslims who have encountered few such obstacles. In California and in college, he counts Arabs, South Asians and Iranians among his closest friends.

"In college we're all one big group," he said. "In the mosque we're all together. Where I come from, there's no, 'that's the black mosque and that's the Pakistani mosque.' "

Often under the tutelage of liberal-minded clerics, he was also encouraged to question the Koran and its teachings. He found himself leery of the ways of coreligionists with roots abroad, especially the older generation. Often, he said, they tried to impose their own cultural habits as religion.

"They say a tattoo is haram," or sinful, he said. "Why? Where is that in the Koran? They say, 'Well, the prophet never had tattoos.' I say, 'Oh, do you drive a car? Did the prophet drive a car? I don't see you riding around on no camel.' "

For years he'd dreamed of visiting the Middle East, where Islam was born. He saved up money and ignored the dire warnings of relatives who said it was too dangerous. His wife, Misty, a native of Guam who converted to Islam before they married, encouraged him to go.

"She was sick of hearing me talking about it," he said.

In early July, he flew to Cairo via Los Angeles and Moscow on a grueling 50-hour journey aboard the Russian airline Aeroflot and enrolled in Arabic classes at one of the city's language schools.

"Man," he said, arriving for the start of classes. "I woke up this morning to the call to prayer today for the first time in my life."

He found a rundown hotel before moving into a cheap apartment with some friends from the Arabic classes. He bought a $1 pair of sunglasses from a street vendor and a 10-cent knit prayer cap from a mosque.

During prayers he was overwhelmed by the sight of the faithful spilling out into the street with their colorful rugs.

"I've never seen so many Muslims in one place," he said. "Here everything stops at prayer time. You feel good."

He reported his discoveries in e-mails to friends and relatives.

"The funny thing that happens is whenever I say my name people go crazy," he wrote in one dispatch. "They give me, like, free stuff, and lower prices than my counterparts."

Mostly, he found confirmation of what he'd been told by his Middle Eastern friends back home: that despite the supercharged politics between America and the Muslim world, the distance between daily life in the two places wasn't as vast as most people thought.

Ali shopped for headphones at a Radio Shack, bought towels from a department store, listened to a DJ spin records inside the old souk.

He made new friends, shared jokes with cabbies, munched on fast food and fought repeatedly with the hotel manager who tried to rid him of his money, even after hotel workers swiped his beloved iPod.

He was surprised by Cairo's nightlife, which stretched until the dawn call-to-prayers. He chuckled at scenes of women in colorful Islamic head scarves cuddling up with their boyfriends or young hipsters in aviator glasses listening to hip-hop star Lil Jon in their sports cars.

To his surprise, he found his Egyptian friends more eager to drag him to the new shopping malls built in the suburbs of Cairo than to proselytize about Islam.

But Ali preferred to spend time studying Arabic or for the Law School Admission Test, or else visiting old mosques and the city's ancient quarters.

"They have more fun here than we do," he said, surprised by how libertine Cairo's ways differed from the stereotypical image of austere life in the Middle Eastern nations of the Persian Gulf. "There are couples walking around, out on dates and holding hands over the Nile. I expected the Middle East was going to be way more strict. I thought the men and women aren't going to be touching. All that stuff is crap."

But the petty ways some Egyptians viewed the faith he reveres rattled Ali. Once, he got into a cab with a driver who demanded he prove that he was a Muslim by reciting the fatiha, the opening chapter of the Koran.

"For what?" Ali asked.

"I want to see if you're really a Muslim," the driver told him. "Recite the fatiha."

The driver flustered him. As if the measure of a good Muslim was how well he had memorized the Koran.

"You recite it for me," Ali demanded. "I want to see if you're a Muslim!"

HomesickAfter five weeks in the Middle East, he realized he was far more comfortable with the hyphenated American Muslims back home than with those here.

He yearned to head back to the Portland campus for Ramadan. He and his fellow Muslim students are organizing their second annual holiday "fast-a-thon": Non-Muslims can join in the traditional dawn-to-dusk abstention from food and drink.

"There's a reason why they're over there and not here," he said. "They're really the best and the brightest."

Still, he vowed to take in as many sights as he could. He visited the Pyramids of Giza and attended prayers at ornate mosques as well as tiny prayer rooms more like apartments than houses of worship.

His eyes teared at the recitation during his first Friday prayer in the Middle East in a dingy one-room mosque. "In time, verily, mankind is lost," the preacher recited from the Koran, "except for those who abide by the faith, do good deeds and practice patience."

As his Arabic improved, he talked with people around Cairo and was touched by the simple hopes of impoverished Egyptians struggling to wriggle free of poverty and hardship.

"You meet these ordinary people with these little lives, and they're like, 'Inshallah, life will be better,' " he said, using the Arabic for "God willing."

But the highlight of his trip was the visit to Al Azhar, which he calls the Harvard of the Muslim world.

Inside the courtyard, the men took their positions on their prayer rugs. The women waited in a room inside the mosque, separated from the men by a wooden screen. Boys crowded around the water coolers as volunteers crushed huge slabs of ice.

Ali shook off the magic and hurried to the basins of water for the ritualistic washing before prayer. As he walked back toward the courtyard he heard a voice speak to him with a crisp American accent.

"Salam aleikum, bro'," the man called to him, using a customary Arabic greeting, meaning "peace be upon you."

It was another African American Muslim, dressed in a blue-and-white striped polo shirt.

They smiled knowingly at each other.

"We both had this, 'Wow, we're at Al Azhar' look on our faces."

daragahi@latimes.com

>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-salahudin2sep02,0,759288,full.story?coll=la-default-underdog

*Arabman
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2297
Joined: Fri May 04, 2007 2:17 pm

Re: Muslim Converts to Islam and the difficulties they face

Postby *Arabman » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:22 pm

These are comments on the article from a site discussing it:
==================================================

[Manas]: It’s a shame. But it’s a reality.

Hedonism and ego are more important than everything else.

[gess]: Indeed, very sad.

[Yusuf Smith]: As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,

Perhaps if you are talking about Afro-American Muslims, I would have thought they might consider other parts of the world, particularly where there are other Muslims, better than the US rather than like it. Anyway, I spent a couple of months in Egypt in 1999 and wouldn’t like to live there. I didn’t notice the racism as such although I did have people not believing I was Muslim - particularly, in one case, a doorman (bawwab) at one of the less well-known mosques in Gamaliyya. My biggest impressions were that it was overcrowded and dirty and was disappointed that Egyptian booksellers had never heard of certain books I was after, such as those published by Dar al-Hawi in Beirut (even the guys in Dar al-Kutub al-Lubnani) or even al-Nawawi’s Maqasid. But I enjoyed not having to worry about whether food was halal (although it wasn’t much to write home about) and the fact that mosques were mostly very open and peaceful places.

[Umm Adam]: I’m shoked ppl doubted his Islam, as a black man. In the Muslim world there is usually no questions as to a black person being a Muslim. A white Amerian will always raise doubts. It is in The states, that I found immigrants questions the deen of AA converts.

[Umm Samir]: Before I converted to Islam, I read MANY books about the religion. I couldn’t wait to get involved in a masjid so I could interact with my new brothers and sisters. I soon became extremely disenchanted. Alhamdulillah that I had enough sense to realize that it is people who are not perfect. Islam is perfect.

Why should a trip to a Muslim “country” be any different?

Many Muslims born into Islam take the deen for granted. Some converts know the deen better than born Muslims. Very much like the average Christian in the USA.

Let take adab for example. Specifically, the adab/etiquette of eating. Gheez! My first iftar I attended as a new convert at the masjid I almost got seriously injured going through the line at the tables. I saw elderly people and handicapped people waiting it out before they went through the line. I had children butt me out of the way so they could reach for food. And afterwards, the place looked like a stadium after a football game, food in the carpets, garbage everywhere. We won’t talk about the bathrooms. Thank God a few Muslims stuck around to help clean up.

I have a friend who just returned from Morroco extremely disenchanted.

[Umm Samir]: I would like to add that the Muslims I speak of in my other comment are those from the so-called Muslim countries.

Yakoub Islam: Famously, Tariq Ramadan - grandson of the founder of the Muslim brotherhood - went to the Middle East and came back realising he was European. Now I’m very alert to the ‘othering’ of Arabs and Muslims, but I do confess that it was less of a culture shock working in Poland than walking into the university mosque. It’s a shame Muslims sometimes let themselves down - I wonder whether this is due to poor leadership and education.

[brnaeem]: AA-

I’m finding it hard to comprehend this phenomenon. Do people not realize that the world is made up of humans with very human faults (Muslim or not)? Where are we getting these false images of angelic Muslims populating Muslim nations?

Thankfully I haven’t come across such naivety here in Saudia. Most Western Muslims who come here seem to be well aware of the Saudi ‘idiosyncrasies’ - I guess Saudis have a reputation. Smile

Folks need to get out of the Malcom X mindset. Anyone who goes for Hajj will instantly come to realize that Muslims across the world are not the Sahabah we so desperately seek.

I think much blame must go to those crooked individuals who are painting a black/white (or good/evil as Tariq mentions) picture of the world. They claim that the Muslim world is the panacea for all our problems while the West is mired in hedonistic materialism. So when American Muslims come over to visit, their bubbles get burst very quickly.

For example, they’re looking for this other-worldly sense of brotherhood, when in reality such brotherhood is more apt to be found in the West than in any Muslim land.

I spoke of some of these problems that we’re facing in Riyadh in a recent post.

[Umm Zaid Renegaid]: To me, it seems to be mainly the older (40+) immigrants who extoll the virtues of the Mozlem lands (while often, in many cases, also singing the praises of Amreeka the Beeyootifull). But I have found no shortage of immigrants (young or old) who have almost nothing good to say abuot “The Mozlem World(tm)” and who actively encourage American Mozlems not to go there.

At the same time, you have a very large, loud, growing number of Amerikan Mozlems who have absolutely nothing good to say about “The Mozlem World ™” and slag it off — even though many have never actually been there (though they may have a gamut of “good” excuses why not). But let’s not worry about checking the growing anti-not-Amreekan-Mozlem sentiment growing among converts and their children. Perhaps, after all, we are superior to them, even as we complain about “their” belief that they are superior. There has never been a lizard hole that we, as a people, haven’t rushed to descend into. We’re #1! We’re #1!

In any case, it’s all local and personal. Na’eem talks about brotherhood more likely being found in the West, when that has 100% not been my experience, and that of many women I know at all (perhaps gender plays into it?). The truth is that there are 6 billion worlds out there, and 6 billion truths. That is Na’eem’s truth, maybe a few others as well. Each one has differing realities within that truth. It’s all meaningless, in the end.

Personally, I think the only utopia is 7-11, where one can buy a Slurpee or Dr. Pepper, and get a brownie or a really suspect taquito. And half the time, there’s a Mozlem of some sort behind the counter (bonus!).

[Umm Zaid Renegaid]: Pee Ess: I forgot one observation or thought.

Many, though certainly not all, of tha Mozlems who extoll the virtues of da Mozlem world ™ probably left before this major social revolution taking place. They left when it was completely unacceptable for people to publicly date. They left before Nancy Ajram and Haifa Wehbe and all the rest of it (including — proof that hip-hop is dead — Arabic rap). They left when hijab was the domain of old women and a few pious ladies not a fashion trend, which it is now (I really do hope it goes out of fashion again soon). Before pornography was easily available over the internet or on cheaply copied DVDs in the marketplace.

Frankly, I hope this thing plays out soon. Let hypocrisy out. Let it all out. People here (here I mean da Ay-rab world, though it may apply elsewhere) do still cling to this idea that they are morally superior to others — sort of like how we Amreekans believe it about ourselves — but “truth stands clear” and we shall see. Let it all out. Let us sort ourselves out. I’m tired of the hiding game, the crying game, the lying game among tha Mozlems (all of us).

[brnaeem]: AA- Umm Zaid,

Very nice. After peeling away the multiple layers of cynicism, I think I understand your points. I especially like the part of the 6 billion truths. However, your conclusion can be challenged.

I agree that every individual has his/her own differing reality. However, in cases when those varying realities begin to coincide and start to be more similar than different, we can take some lessons. Otherwise, how would we humans ever learn and adapt socially?

Of course there will always be exceptions to shared realities and there are lessons to be learned there as well. So lets keep the experiences coming while we sit and enjoy our Slurpees. Smile

[anonymous]: http://al-istiqamah.com/PP/Dan1.htm

[AbuSinan]: I have been to the Middle East and North Africa. As an American who was born in Europe and lived in Europe, I always find that even if I am Muslim that Europe is a place I feel more comfortable with.

Sure, this is mainly for cultural reasons, but I also realise that the “unIslamic” nature of most places in the Middle East; including the culture, is a real turn off.

When I went to the Middle East for the first time I didnt have illusions. People are people. I have known converts who head to the Middle East, even Saudi Arabia, thinking they will find a Muslim paradise, and when they dont their deen is shaken to the core.

Me? I went with the quote from the famous writer George Bernard Shaw in mind that “Islam is the greatest religion, but it has the worst followers”. I kept that in mind and wasnt disappointed.

[Dawud Walid]: ASA:

Having traveled and spent time in Palestine, Turkey, UAE, Egypt and making Hajj, I was never under the misperception that I would find a utopia in any of those places for a couple of reasons.

1) In being a student of Muslim history especially the time period of the Salaf (the best generations), there were always social problems from racism to Muslim on Muslim murder. Why would it be any better in those lands today when the people are further away from Islam than the Salaf?

2) I’ve witnessed the hyper-religious senstivities of some Muslims, who were born in those countries that live here as well as the lack of religious practice of their kin while in America. I knew that the side effects of colonialism and desire by some to emulate the colonialists would translate into such behaviors.

So when I went to Al-Madinah before making Hajj and was told “ruh `abdi” by a Kuwayti, I was peturbed, but it was no shock that this man would beckon me to hasten like a good “slave.” Before making Hajj, I had already spent time in the Arab world and had been called a slave before.

And brothers and sisters, who are Arab that read this, please do not tell me that he meant nothing by it and that calling black people “slaves” is just an idiom in the Arab world. Besides the Prophet (SAAS) stating, “Do not call anyone `abdi, for all of you are slaves of ALLAH,” calling someone a slave means that their is lower estimation in the human worth of the person.

[gess]: AbuSinan,

Do you have source (citation from a book or something else) of George Bernard Shaw’s quote Question

Thankx


>http://tariqnelson.com/2007/09/02/american-muslim-in-cairo/

User avatar
FAH1223
webmaster
Posts: 33829
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:31 pm
Location: THE MOST POWERFUL CITY IN THE WORLD
Contact:

Re: Muslim Converts to Islam and the difficulties they face

Postby FAH1223 » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:59 pm

interesting

he is a new revert and he was under liberal tutelage

insha allah he will see why tattoos and other things are forbidden when he studies hadith insha allah

*Arabman
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2297
Joined: Fri May 04, 2007 2:17 pm

Re: Muslim Converts to Islam and the difficulties they face

Postby *Arabman » Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:16 pm

[interesting

he is a new revert and he was under liberal tutelage

insha allah he will see why tattoos and other things are forbidden when he studies hadith insha allah]

Indeed. We have already discussed tattoos and come to the conclusion that Islam doesn't allow it.


OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE

Hello, Has your question been answered on this page? We hope yes. If not, you can start a new thread and post your question(s). It is free to join. You can also search our over a million pages (just scroll up and use our site-wide search box) or browse the forums.

  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “General - General Discussions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: nnjrewzas112 and 12 guests