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Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:31 pm

US Official Urges Greater African Involvement in Somalia Peace Efforts

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US Assistant Secretary for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer talks to the media in Addis Ababa, 08 Sep 2007
US Assistant Secretary for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer talks to the media in Addis Ababa, 08 Sep 07
By Peter Heinlein
Sunday, September 09, 2007

Addis Ababa (VOA) - Washington's top diplomat on African issues says regional leaders must do more to ease simmering tensions in the Horn of Africa. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer made the comment after leading a team of senior U.S. officials on a tour of Ethiopia's tense Ogaden region bordering Somalia. VOA's Peter Heinlein reports from the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa.

Assistant Secretary Frazer held talks in Addis Saturday with Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi and African Union chairman Alpha Omar Konare. A day earlier she and President Bush's Special Assistant for Africa Bobby Pittman made a whirlwind tour of the vast Ogaden region of southeastern Ethiopia, where government forces have launched a military crackdown against rebel groups.

They met there with community elders and local officials

Conflict has been raging in the region bordering Somalia since April, when insurgents belonging to the Ogaden National Liberation Front, or O.N.L.F., attacked a Chinese-run oil drilling team, killing more than 70 people.

In recent weeks, international aid agencies have accused Ethiopia of denying humanitarian workers access to the region, where civilian casualties are said to be heavy. The rebels say government troops are imposing an economic blockade, creating a man-made famine. The Ethiopian government strongly denies the charges.

At a news conference in Addis Ababa Saturday, Frazer described the allegations as 'unsubstantiated'. But she said she had urged Ethiopian leaders to avoid casualties and human rights violations.

She said efforts to investigate the charges, and to ensure adequate supplies to needy civilians are complicated by the rebels' links to warring factions in neighboring Somalia.

"Part of the challenge is that the chaos, I shouldn't call it chaos, but fighting taking place in Somalia has disrupted that market, the rice and products that normally come into the Ogaden have been disrupted by the situation in Somalia itself," said Frazer. "In addition to that, there are those extremists, insurgents who have tried to make a link with the ONLF and they are trying to, the ONLF is trying to get contraband in through those trade routes. Weapons, arms trafficking is taking place with the same trucks bringing in rice."

Frazer also said she sees no early withdrawal of Ethiopian troops from Somalia. She said she had spoken with African Union chairman Konare about how to get more African Union peacekeepers to replace the thousands of Ethiopian troops sent to Somalia last year to oust Islamic extremists who had taken control in Mogadishu.

The current A.U. mission in Somalia lacks resources and is badly understaffed. Only about 1,600 of the promised 8,000 A.U. personnel have been deployed. The U.S. Congress has authorized $40-million to help fund the A.U. mission, and is training a contingent of Burundian troops. But Frazer says Washington continues to be frustrated by the apparent unwillingness of African countries to contribute more manpower.

"Ethiopia has said from the outset it wants to withdraw. The international community has said, don't withdraw until you can be replaced by A.U. troops, and no one has changed that message to Ethiopia," she continued. "So we've been disappointed by how slow [is] the process of getting African Union troops in. I said by October 15th we will have completed our training of Burundian forces. The deployment date of the Burundian forces is something that Burundi will have to decide."

Frazer says cooperation among states in the region is the key to bringing stability to the Horn of Africa.

"I think the United States are working very well with the regional partners, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Yemen and other countries, and that is going to be the answer to the crisis is the cooperation of the regional countries themselves together, and obviously this issue of insurgency is one that continues to trouble me and Africa as a whole," added Frazer. "The way forward is development and legitimate opposition, not through picking up arms and insurgency and it's a message the A.U. needs to make much more loudly to its member states."

Secretary Frazer is to continue her diplomatic efforts at a meeting of the International Contact Group on Somalia next week in Italy.

Source: VOA, Sept 09, 2007


THE RESPONSE FROM THE OGADENIS:

Ethiopia: UN Engaged in a Face Saving Exercise
7 Sep 7, 2007 - 8:03:35 AM

Reports reaching our service desk from our reporters throughout Ogaden and highly placed sources within the United Nations offices in Addis Ababa confirm that the recently concluded UN mission in Ogaden was nothing more than a UN- Ethiopian face saving exercise.

The highly placed sources within the UN office in Addis Ababa, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the information they have provided, indicate that the mission was not meant to investigate the atrocities that have taken place in Ogaden.

The short nature of the UN visit in Ogaden as well as the limited towns and cities such as Dhagax Buur and Sheygosh that the UN was allowed to visit they, sources, argue is an indication of the extent of the face saving exercises that the UN office in Ethiopia has engaged.

These sources add that Doctors Without Borders, MSF, become aware of the fact that the UN mission was not going to visit areas such as Wardheer zone, Fiiq, and the outlaying areas of Qabri Dahar where most of the atrocities have been reported to have taken place.

It is the fact that the UN was not going to visit these areas that compelled MSF to go public with the information of the atrocities its staff have witnessed in these areas as well as the importance of having the UN mission to visit these areas where the most horrific crimes have taken place to date.

Our reporters in the city of Fiiq for example have confirmed that one will be hard pressed today to find a Kilo of sugar in the entire city of Fiiq since it has been blockaded for almost three months now. Our reporters add that Ogaden civilians in the city of Fiiq and its environs have been shot on first sight by the Ethiopian military while the Ethiopian authorities have succeeded in not allowing the UN mission to set foot in this city.

Our reporters throughout Ogaden have also confirmed that the UN mission was not allowed to tour the areas where they have visited with helicopters but were escorted in land. Many of the people the UN was allowed to meet with are said to have either been prearranged or some of the names the UN mission had were refused to be produced with flimsy excuses.

Both the highly placed sources within the UN office in Addis Ababa as well as our reporters throughout Ogaden agree that this short UN mission in Ogaden was meant to first show the global community that Ethiopia is not restricting the UN since it has allowed the UN office itself to visit Ogaden.

Second they agree that the objective of the visit and the findings to be published shortly after Ethiopia is first given access to the final report are meant to show the need for an urgent humanitarian need in Ogaden without either articulating who has allowed the situation to develop in the first place or mentioning any of the atrocities that have been widely reported to have taken place in many parts of Ogaden. In the end, the sources add the UN mission will be promised greater access to the worst hit zones in Ogaden while Ethiopia demand that UN agencies refrain from publishing or talking about any of the atrocities that many eyewitnesses and observers have described as nothing short of a war crimes.

Source: Ogaden Online
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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby FAH1223 » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:34 pm

when you're on America's good side, you cannot do any wrong

look at the regimes they supported in Latin America, Central Asia down

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby DANGIRL » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:38 pm

I am not quite in shock or surprise they would not find Ethiopia not guilty of war crimes.

"At a time when multiple sources including human rights and Non-Governmental Organizations, NGOs, working in Ogaden have detailed not only the type of atrocities but also the extent of the war crimes committed against the Ogaden citizenry by the TPLF army and its’ associated militias;

At a moment when no international journalist is allowed to set foot in Ogaden, it is quiet disappointing, to say the least, to hear the recent outburst from Jendayi Frazer who is a host to the same Ethiopian junta that has not only ordered but carried out the current war crimes reported in Ogaden.

When Frazer terms the genocide that has and is taking place in Ogaden as merely allegations that are 'unsubstantiated', which happens to be the same terms used by Zenawi in the recent Time’s interview, we are left to wonder whether Frazer is a top US diplomat for African affairs or an unofficial spokeswoman for the Tigrian People’s Liberation Front, TPLF.

What evidence, other than the propaganda fed to her by the TPLF misinformation minions, does Frazer have that can make all the horror stories provided the internationally renowned human rights organizations, Ogaden survivors of the current Ogaden war crimes, and the NGOs who have an innate knowledge of the Ogaden landscape and people, as mere ‘unsubstantiated’ allegations?

We, the Ogaden Editorial Board, EOB, believe that Frazer has accepted in face value, the misinformation provided by the TPLF junta headed by Zenawi. EOB also believes that merely accepting TPLF propaganda in face value harms not only the image of the United States of America as a champion of democracy but also US security interests in the horn.

Instead of acting as an unofficial TPLF spokeswoman, EOB hopes that Frazer will closely scrutinize the actions of the TPLF junta in Addis Ababa. The US State department should use its clout in order to put the brakes on the war crimes that are taking place in Ogaden."

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:42 pm

DANGIRL,

I used to have a lil faith in US diplomacy but after this garbage spewing out of Frazer's mouth, it is clear that there is no diplomacy or impartiality by the US.

The picture is clear. The US government will support a ProEthiopian agenda at any cost and unless Somalis surrender to it, they will be punished severely to it.

I have always been sensitive about the situation in Somali galbeed. I do feel for those innocent people being abused by a backward regime.

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby Koronto91 » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:52 pm

Jendayi Frazier is a low level buraucrat, she is nothing more than a paper pusher and will do as is demanded by powerful Pro-Etihiopia lobby groups in Washinton.

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Postby *Arabman » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:55 pm

Let's bear in mind that Ms. Frazer is a low level mouthpiece; she's neither decisionmaker nor policymaker. If we want to put in context who's who, it's the Bush regime, the Israeli lobby and the Neocons who are behind the sufferings of millions of Somalis. They are anti-Somali because Somalis are Muslims.

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby SummerRain » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:01 pm

She is just a messenger and is told what to do or say. She is not the one to worry about or hate really. Lets start with Bush and the senate foreign Committe who the majority of its members are Jews.

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby DANGIRL » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:04 pm

AbdiWahab252,

I no longer have faith in US government or any government at that.More than hundreds of people have been killed,others where taken to prisons,livestocks where taken away,homes were burnt down,storage of food throughtout the region because of the ONLF attack on chinese run oil field.There are documents that days back to the 80s that show the war crimes that were committed in the Ogadenia by the Ethiopia government.But no one really cares what goes on there.
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Postby AbdiWahab252 » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:06 pm

I now laugh when I see or hear Americans protesting about Darfur which only being promoted because Khartoum is not an ally

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby James Dahl » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:31 am

Ethiopia is the only state in East Africa that is willing and able to be America's proxy, and stuff like that matters to the USA.

Being an American stooge means lots of free military aid, which is important if you have plans of establishing yourself as president-for-life, like Meles.

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby adanboy » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:11 am

dont be naive people..appr. 20,000 somalis have been killed since their assault on nnocent somalis began in december 2006...we are talking about only 10 months...you are talking about diplomacy..armed strugge is the answer,,support our young people that have understood this people agendas,that are steadfast and fighting the enemy,,lets stay together somalis and put our minor differents behind and never trust these criminals ,,whetherer they are governments or organisations,,they came to hurt us and our people .wake up people.. this peope would kill all somalis if the could in one second..they are just doing it slow...maybe the right thing shabaab didnt accept the Asmara congress,cause its a a set up??.... the young and rapid movemnet is genuine and first class somali,they are the hope and the true struggle between the enemy and somalis.......Insha Allah Guul somalia

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Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:41 pm

adanboy,

U need to expand the antiEthiopian bloc to include more Somalis. Otherwise, you will be fighting with fewer supporters.

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby adanboy » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:32 pm

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]adanboy,

U need to expand the antiEthiopian bloc to include more Somalis. Otherwise, you will be fighting with fewer supporters.[/quote]

its every somalis duty to join this fight..and we want to have them with all..but it seems that many somalis dont just care..they will tell you; "we killed eachother for 17 years ,so this is not worse"..thats not an excuse..even americans slaugtered eachother in bitter civil warfor many years,but that cant justify outside power to come to occupy them just because they had brotherly fight...how can you explain this to the avarage maryooleey?..

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Re: Jendayi Frazer Tours Ogaden: ETHIOPIA Not Guilty of Crimes

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:35 pm

AdanBoy,

The average maryoleey hates the Xabash more than another Somali.

What u need to do is guarantee that there is no infighting after the Xabash are thrown out ?

At the end of the day, there should be an agreed agenda for the struggle and what happens after the Xabash leave to prevent any more bloodshed.


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