Ethiopia committing horrible atrocities in Ogaden

[RIIGHAYE]

[quote="Sultan-Kenadiid-of-Hobyo"]Actions and words are totally different. America may say we are concerned of Ogaden's plight but underneath this policy statement is the formal endorsement of atrocities committed by Ethiopia.

It is in the news today Defense Secretary Mr. Gates dismissed the former Fed reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan officially blowing the whistle that the Iraq war is nothing but OIL.[/quote]


Wwell said Kenadiid.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

The Somalis of the Ogaden have long supported violent seperatists movements there. The population group that supports non-state violence ALWAYS is the biggest bill payer, and it's ALWAYS ugly. Funny how you guys are such slow learners when the lessons are drilled into your heads over and over and over again.

[The_Patriot]

madmax.
what do you expect from people whose region has been reduced to the flintstones era by suscessive Ethiopian regimes ?
To sit down and wait for salvation?
Give me a break.

Somalis are not guests in the Ogaden.
They have everyright to dissociate themselves from Ethiopia.

After all what Ethiopians offered in the past century with the aid of the west is rape ,torture, plunder and more.

[James Dahl]

Dear Rabid Mac,

I've got a crazy idea, why not instead of spending millions of dollars and killing thousands of people to force them to be Ethiopians against their will, why not support their independence?

You're always the same MAC, you support the course of action that will deliver maximum misery to Muslims. Doesn't matter where or why.

You're full of crap too. The people having their villages burned down near Warder and Gode didn't do anything to antagonize the government, they're being punished collectively along with everyone else in the entire Ogaden.

[James Dahl]

MAC seems to wish more war crimes could happen to Muslims, as he always seems downright smug whenever some innocent village is massacred.

[DawladSade]

James

Patriot,

[The_Patriot]

infact the Ogaden was given to Ethiopia by Eisonhower effort in return for US being given right to explore oil and Gas inthe region during the 50's.

[DawladSade]

The Ogaden and Reserved Area (hawd) were given to Ethiopia by the british

[The_Patriot]

dude the US forced the British to hand the area,
during the marshal plan after the second world war.

[James Dahl]

The British wanted the Ogaden for themselves. This is what really happened:

After the British liberated Ethiopia from the Italians (who did evil things in Ethiopia) the British wanted to annex Italian and Western Somaliland into British Somaliland, and turn Ethiopia into a protectorate of Britain.

Both Italian Somaliland and Ethiopia complained to the UN after the war, and the UN ruled in their favor, making Somalia a UN mandate and making the British return Ethiopia their pre-war borders, including their conquered Somali territories. The US basically blackmailed them into handing them over.

If the Italian Somalilanders had argued in favor of Britain annexing the two, the UN might have ruled in Britain's favor instead. The British would have ruled both Ethiopia and Somalia until 1960 and let both go when Britain was forced to give up their empire 15 years later anyways. The British would have added the NFD to Somalia too, meaning the only part of Greater Somalia that wouldn't have been Somali in 1960 would have been Djibouti.

[DawladSade]

Berigaa 70% Mareexaan Hawdka iyo Wardheer bay degnaayeen

[DawladSade]

[quote="James Dahl"]The British wanted the Ogaden for themselves. This is what really happened:

After the British liberated Ethiopia from the Italians (who did evil things in Ethiopia) the British wanted to annex Italian and Western Somaliland into British Somaliland, and turn Ethiopia into a protectorate of Britain.

Both Italian Somaliland and Ethiopia complained to the UN after the war, and the UN ruled in their favor, making Somalia a UN mandate and making the British return Ethiopia their pre-war borders, including their conquered Somali territories.

If the Italian Somalilanders had argued in favor of Britain annexing the two, the UN might have ruled in Britain's favor instead. The British would have ruled both Ethiopia and Somalia until 1960 and let both go when Britain was forced to give up their empire 15 years later anyways. The British would have added the NFD to Somalia too, meaning the only part of Greater Somalia that wouldn't have been Somali in 1960 would have been Djibouti.[/quote]

The Ogaden's history did not start in 1945. When you say "pre-war territory", how did Ethiopia come to obtain the Ogaden? The British gave it to them. Before the colonialists, Ethiopia aka Absyinnia's borders did not stretch past the borders of ancient Axum.

[James Dahl]

It was the Italians actually, they made a deal where the area between Mogadishu and Harar would be partitioned between them.

The British didn't actually conquer any Somali land, they bought British Somaliland from Egypt, who inherited it from the Ottoman Empire, who seized control of it when the Adal Empire collapsed.

[King-of-Awdal]

Its useless to argue about what happened back than, think of the future and how the poor somalians in Somali Galbeed will be freed and how we can make sure if that region gains freedom that the situation i fear the most that will surely happen in that region never happens.

[DawladSade]

[quote="James Dahl"]It was the Italians actually, they made a deal where the area between Mogadishu and Harar would be partitioned between them.

The British didn't actually conquer any Somali land, they bought British Somaliland from Egypt, who inherited it from the Ottoman Empire, who seized control of it when the Adal Empire collapsed.[/quote]

Please do not argue with me. The british gave it to them and handed them the weapons to keep control over the Ogaden. Later when the Italians came to southern Somalia, an Ethiopia already present in the Ogaden and them signed treaties that outlined the borders between "Ethiopia" and "Italian Somaliland". Don't know where you got Italy gave them anything or the British did not lead the Abbysinians from their highland camps to the southern low-lying Muslim plateau.