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Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Wareer » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:17 pm

OMAR SAMANTAR (c. 1870-1945). A Somali chief in the Ogaden, originally from the Mijreteyn area who, with Ethiopian support, in 1925 led an army against the Italians and seized the fort at El Bur in the Galguduud Region. He was overcome by the Corpo Zaptie and fled to Ethiopia. In 1934, after the Walwal incident, the Italians demanded that the Ethiopians turn Omar Samantar over to them. The Ethiopians refused, and during the Italo-Ethiopian war of 1935-36, he fought on the Ethiopian side as leader of a force of Somali Irregulars.

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I attended Omar Samantar Secondary School in Gaalkacyo.
http://omarsamantar.com/

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Sadaam_Mariixmaan » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:22 pm

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Wareer » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:25 pm

Confused What

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Unclebin- » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:34 pm

When they say 'ethiopian' they mean Ogaden. He regularily ran into the Ogaden Bush and fought the Italians in Ceel buur Hobyo and even Galkacyo aka rocco littorio.

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby James Dahl » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:44 pm

He was one of the Sultan of Hobyo's commanders, and he had great success against the Colonial Police, the Corpo Zaptie, capturing Ceel Buur and Ceel Dheere. The Italians had to ship over two full battalions of Eritrean Askari to defeat him, but what got him in the end was De Vecchi's bribes to other clans to fight him.

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Unclebin- » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:54 pm

[quote="James Dahl"]He was one of the Sultan of Hobyo's commanders, and he had great success against the Colonial Police, the Corpo Zaptie, capturing Ceel Buur and Ceel Dheere. The Italians had to ship over two full battalions of Eritrean Askari to defeat him, but what got him in the end was De Vecchi's bribes to other clans to fight him.[/quote]


Eritrean Askaris plus the whole of Hawiye Mudug Galgaduud areas and Italian Officers against a rag tag group of MJ's Laughing

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby ciyaal_warta » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:56 pm

[quote="Wareer"]OMAR SAMANTAR (c. 1870-1945). A Somali chief in the Ogaden, originally from the Mijreteyn area who, with Ethiopian support, in 1925 led an army against the Italians and seized the fort at El Bur in the Galguduud Region. He was overcome by the Corpo Zaptie and fled to Ethiopia. In 1934, after the Walwal incident, the Italians demanded that the Ethiopians turn Omar Samantar over to them. The Ethiopians refused, and during the Italo-Ethiopian war of 1935-36, he fought on the Ethiopian side as leader of a force of Somali Irregulars.

Historical Somalia by Margaret Castagno



I attended Omar Samantar Secondary School in Gaalkacyo.
http://omarsamantar.com/[/quote]


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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Unclebin- » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:06 pm

[quote="ciyaal_warta"][quote="Wareer"]OMAR SAMANTAR (c. 1870-1945). A Somali chief in the Ogaden, originally from the Mijreteyn area who, with Ethiopian support, in 1925 led an army against the Italians and seized the fort at El Bur in the Galguduud Region. He was overcome by the Corpo Zaptie and fled to Ethiopia. In 1934, after the Walwal incident, the Italians demanded that the Ethiopians turn Omar Samantar over to them. The Ethiopians refused, and during the Italo-Ethiopian war of 1935-36, he fought on the Ethiopian side as leader of a force of Somali Irregulars.

Historical Somalia by Margaret Castagno



I attended Omar Samantar Secondary School in Gaalkacyo.
http://omarsamantar.com/[/quote]


traitors will burn in hell Very Happy[/quote]


Actually it was your hutu people who were traitors.
Omar Samatar's Rebellion (November 1925 to January 1926)

Though victorious against the sultan's forces, the populace had yet to accept Italian rule without a fight. Commissioner Trivulzio, assigned with administering Hobyo, reported the movement of armed men towards the borders of the sultanate before and after the annexation. As preparations were underway to continue the Corpo Zaptié's advance into Majeerteen, a new threat emerged.

One of Sultan Ali Yusuf's commanders, Omar Samatar, attacked and captured El-Bur on the 9th of November. The local populace sided with Omar, and soon enough the Italians had a full scale revolution on their hands after Omar followed up his previous success with the capture of El-Dhere. The Corpo Zaptié tried and failed to recapture El-Bur from Omar. By the 15th of November the Italians had fled to Bud Bud, ambushed by partisans the whole way and rather diminished in forces and resolve.

A third attempt was planned, but before it could be executed the commander of the operation, Lieutenant-Colonel Splendorelli, was ambushed and killed between Bud Bud and Bula Barde. Italian morale hit rock bottom, and Hobyo seemed a lost cause as Omar stood poised to reconquer Hobyo itself. In an attempt to salvage the situation, governor De Vecchi requested two battalions from Eritrea and assumed personal command. The rebellion soon spilled over the borders into the Benadir and Western Somaliland, and Omar grew increasingly powerful.

The disaster in Hobyo shocked Italian policymakers in Rome. It was the Adwa fiasco of the Abyssinian War all over again, and Italy's plans for East Africa were unraveling before their very eyes. Blame soon fell on Governor De Vecchi, who's perceived incompetence was blamed for Omar's rise. Rome instructed De Vecchi that he was to receive the reinforcement from Eritrea, but that the commander of the Eritrean battalions was to assume the military command and De Vecchi was confined to Mogadishu and limited to an administrative role. The commander was to report directly to Rome, bypassing De Vecchi entirely.

As the situation was extremely confused, De Vecchi took former Sultan Ali Yusuf with him to Mogadishu. Mussolini vowed to reconquer all of Hobyo and move on to Majertin by any means necessary. Even reinstating Ali Yusuf was considered. However, the clans had already sided with Omar Samatar, so this was not as viable an option as it would appear.

Before the reinforcements arrived, De Vecchi chose the age old tactic of divide and rule, and offered great rewards, money and prestige to any clans who chose to support the Italians. Considering the eons-old clan rivalries which have been the bane of Somali states from time immemorial, it is a wonder this strategy hadn't been attempted sooner, and turned out to be far more successful than the Eritrean regiments in reversing the rebellion.

With the steam taken out of the rebellion, and the military forces heavily reinforced with the battalions from Eritrea, the Italians retook El-Buur on December 26 1925, and compelled Omar Samatar to retreat into Western Somaliland.


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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Somali2003 » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:27 pm

Is that Why Ogadens hate reer Mudug?
He sided with Ethiopia at the Wal Wal incidence, which marks a special place in our history when our people challenged the expansion of Abyssinians.
We Somalis always had quislings in our history.

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Unclebin- » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:50 pm

[quote="Somali2003"]Is that Why Ogadens hate reer Mudug?
He sided with Ethiopia at the Wal Wal incidence, which marks a special place in our history when our people challenged the expansion of Abyssinians.
We Somalis always had quislings in our history.[/quote]


No you idiot. This man Was fighting off italians in mudug and even in SomaaliGalbeed. Get a clue

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Somali2003 » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:32 pm

Don't you see Wareer's post. During the Wal Wal incidence in which the Somali dominated Italian army faught against the expansion of Abyssinia, he sided with Ethiopia.

Although Italy was a colonial power, it was helping us contain the expansion of Abyssinia. Italy supported also the Greater Somalia policy

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Somali2003 » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:35 pm

[quote="Unclebin-"]When they say 'ethiopian' they mean Ogaden..[/quote]

Laughing Laughing How can Ogaden turn him over to Italy. The man sided with Ethiopia with his Somali Irregular force during the Wal Wal Incidence.

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Cilmiile » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:04 pm

[quote="Somali2003"]Don't you see Wareer's post. During the Wal Wal incidence in which the Somali dominated Italian army faught against the expansion of Abyssinia, he sided with Ethiopia.

Although Italy was a colonial power, it was helping us contain the expansion of Abyssinia. Italy supported also the Greater Somalia policy[/quote]

Less than a decade after the destruction of the Majeerteen Kingdom of Cali Yuusuf in which Cumar Samatar was a leading General, did you really expect him to be friendly with Italians just because they, the Italians, were at war with Ethiopia. Would you as a Hypothetical Warsangeli General of 1920s have fought alongside the British a few years after they destroyed your kingdom and exiled your King to Seycheless?

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Unclebin- » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:20 pm

Somali2003

Did you expect a man to fight against the same colonial people who occupied his land?

Caqli Gigli. Dude get a clue. Laughing

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Re: Omar Samantar was a great Somali Leader.

Postby Somali2003 » Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:27 am

[quote="Cilmiile"][quote="Somali2003"]Don't you see Wareer's post. During the Wal Wal incidence in which the Somali dominated Italian army faught against the expansion of Abyssinia, he sided with Ethiopia.

Although Italy was a colonial power, it was helping us contain the expansion of Abyssinia. Italy supported also the Greater Somalia policy[/quote]

Less than a decade after the destruction of the Majeerteen Kingdom of Cali Yuusuf in which Cumar Samatar was a leading General, did you really expect him to be friendly with Italians just because they, the Italians, were at war with Ethiopia. Would you as a Hypothetical Warsangeli General of 1920s have fought alongside the British a few years after they destroyed your kingdom and exiled your King to Seycheless?[/quote]



Cilmile, whatever this commander did was personal because Italy put a price on his head for the commission of murder. Lest that you assume that I am targeting him based on his clan, I am not but I see this man's history as an exception. Itally dissolved the kingdom of his uncle but we entered a decisive period of state formation. Italy was in fact rebuilding the South unlike the negligent Britain and was helping us contain the expansionists and their conspirators, Britain.
Still, his revolt against the colony was one that was based on personal and clan interest, not the general interest of our country.


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