Xamar this time last ramadan

[Alchemist]

So the companions losing Uhad means they werent on the Haq?

You kids wallahi dont know what your talking about.. Sometimes Allah tests people with lose of property and wealth..It's mentioned in the quran that the jews used to kill prophets, does that mean the prophets werent also in the Haq for getting killed?

Surely the icu had errors but they were the best thing that happened to somalia but people like Luq would rather be ruled by Kuffar than see someone from another tribe rule them..

Thats why i laugh whenever you try to act religious and throw some salafi dawa at us....

Even if you dont agree with ICU at least agree that all somalis should fight against the kuffar if not than you may believe in whatever you want and allah will Judge..

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

Alchemist why didn't you fight in Idaale? ANYBODY who knows anything about the ICU knows that the people who fought to the death in Idaale were primairly Marehan/Absame, and the people who helped overwhelm the warloards in Xamar were they also. First admit that you're a coward who would rather wait and fight behind a single mother's house and hurl grenades at night, theh to fight on the battlefield like a man.

[Luq_Ganane]

Also Alchemist, you've made Takfir on people on this site numerous times. Either you're just a kid who doesn't know what he's saying, or you have serious issues with your understanding of the deen and don't know the gravity of what you're saying.

[Alchemist]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Alchemist why didn't you fight in Idaale? ANYBODY who knows anything about the ICU knows that the people who fought to the death in Idaale were primairly Marehan/Absame, and the people who helped overwhelm the warloards in Xamar were they also. First admit that you're a coward who would rather wait and fight behind a single mother's house and hurl grenades at night, theh to fight on the battlefield like a man. [/quote]

sxb i could careless about Hawiye so i wont even reply back about that..

Just tell me, why are you against fighting the ethiopians now so much that you wont even support your marehan icu..

I support all ICU even though i dont agree with everything they do, all the people who faught no matter their qabil... Believe it or not i have close family members who are high officials of TFG and wallahi i see them as traitors of islam and somalia..

You keep on mentioning that Marehan died for the struggle what has made you different than your brothers?

[Alchemist]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]Also Alchemist, you've made Takfir on people on this site numerous times. Either you're just a kid who doesn't know what he's saying, or you have serious issues with your understanding of the deen and don't know the gravity of what you're saying.[/quote]

Trust me on this sxb, i have my reasons for saying what i have said and i dont believe a muslim should declare another muslim kafir..

Im not a kid and i can tell this whole salafi thing is new to you..

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

The ICU had two factions:

A Lilaahi faction, who were sincere
An oppritunist faction

People like Abu Mansur, Sh Sharif, Sh Ahmed Madobe (Kismayo) and many others were part of the Lilaahi faction. Are these guys Marehan? No, but I would support them if they were to come into power today. These guys were in the mold of Sh Boqolson (aun).

However the movement became tainted when people like: Indacadde, Goobale, Seraar etc. were brought into the mix, and they were all coddled by their Adeer Dahir Aweis. So in essence the corrupt group took over control of the movement and the movement lost all its momentum. For example "Sheikh" Indacadde was probably the most influential guy in the ICU, way more influential than Sh Sharif. Also on another note, the supreme tactical blunders is what annoyed the hell out of me. I feel the poor judgement is what put the people in Xamar in the situation there in. Why not just stay in Xamar? Why not build something there? What was the rush? If they had not gone past the Banadir area where they were really needed then perhaps Eithos wouldn't be here today, but they played right into the West and Eithiopias hands. Don't go blaming Daroods but blame the leadership of the ICU for putting the people in Xamar in such a horrible situation that they cannot win. As for fighting Ethiopians goes, I never said don't fight them, but have some damn sense about it, and don't be senseless and end up killing more of your own people than Eithos.

[Alchemist]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

The ICU had two factions:

A Lilaahi faction, who were sincere
An oppritunist faction

People like Abu Mansur, Sh Sharif, Sh Ahmed Madobe (Kismayo) and many others were part of the Lilaahi faction. Are these guys Marehan? No, but I would support them if they were to come into power today. These guys were in the mold of Sh Boqolson (aun).

However the movement became tainted when people like: Indacadde, Goobale, Seraar etc. were brought into the mix, and they were all coddled by their Adeer Dahir Aweis. So in essence the corrupt group took over control of the movement and the movement lost all its momentum. For example "Sheikh" Indacadde was probably the most influential guy in the ICU, way more influential than Sh Sharif. Also on another note, the supreme tactical blunders is what annoyed the hell out of me. I feel the poor judgement is what put the people in Xamar in the situation there in. Why not just stay in Xamar? Why not build something there? What was the rush? If they had not gone past the Banadir area where they were really needed then perhaps Eithos wouldn't be here today, but they played right into the West and Eithiopias hands. Don't go blaming Daroods but blame the leadership of the ICU for putting the people in Xamar in such a horrible situation that they cannot win. As for fighting Ethiopians goes, I never said don't fight them, but have some damn sense about it, and don't be senseless and end up killing more of your own people than Eithos.[/quote]

Look i agree with you in most parts walahi, and yes i do take shots at darood just like you take shots at Hawiye, nothing more than a joke, thats why i never take it to the heart... We need to separate real talk from joke...


There is no way anyone could honestly belive that anything in Somalia can be done without the help of Darood good, or bad and i have family members in xamar i keep often contact with and is know a lot of the fighters are from other tribes...

I also disgree with alot of the actions of ICU but there is no time today to ridicule the fighters from the safety of our homes here in the west, lets fix our problems once the enemy is defeated... All im saying is i often see you and your friends constantly taking cheap shots at thsoe figthing, calling them cowards, saying is not jihad while our somali major scholars say so... if some of them are corrupt than thats them, dont speak ill of all those who are fighting.. Be sincere in whatever you say...

Sheik Dahir Aweys is not from my qabil either.

[Alchemist]

Sheik Shareef abdinur

Sheik Umar Faroq

Sheik Umal Mohamed

All say is Jihad and none of them are Hawiye.. You seem to be someone who has basic understanding of islam so how can you disgree with the ulema at the sametime and not think somoene will consider you a qabilist?

[sadeboi]

The support the moryons public of muqdisho showed to the terrorist icu justifies everything that is going on now there.

[MJ-Pride]

Luq, Well said Ina Adeer. Recently you have been spot on most of the time

[Luq_Ganane]

Alchemist, your really having a tough time understanding what I'm saying.

Ofcourse once Ethiopians came into the coutnry its an instant Jihad. Welibo fardul Cayn Jihad. No question about it. In the frontline battles in Diinsoor, Idaale I was with the Wadaado against the Eithiopans no doubt. Lakin what I'm questioning is the wisdom. Blowing yourself up (Xaram) and shooting from residential areas etc. is not the wisest thing to do. Also on another note, theres plenty of people in Xamar who are fighting under the Hawiye name against Abdullahi Yusf just because he's Darood. I read several times where the afhayn of Hawiye in Xamar in April said (I forgot his name) said we have "nothing to do with the ICU, and we're fighting under the Hawiye name only against this Gov't". Wallahi I didn't make this up (I'm fasting). If we were to rewind Somalinet to '96 when Marehan wadaado were fighting Hawiye, I bet nobody cared, so don't be suprised when you see the same people not care. Anyway its afur time gotta roll bro.

[Alchemist]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]Alchemist, your really having a tough time understanding what I'm saying.

Ofcourse once Ethiopians came into the coutnry its an instant Jihad. Welibo fardul Cayn Jihad. No question about it. In the frontline battles in Diinsoor, Idaale I was with the Wadaado against the Eithiopans no doubt. Lakin what I'm questioning is the wisdom. Blowing yourself up (Xaram) and shooting from residential areas etc. is not the wisest thing to do. Also on another note, theres plenty of people in Xamar who are fighting under the Hawiye name against Abdullahi Yusf just because he's Darood. I read several times where the afhayn of Hawiye in Xamar in April said (I forgot his name) said we have "nothing to do with the ICU, and we're fighting under the Hawiye name only against this Gov't". Wallahi I didn't make this up (I'm fasting). If we were to rewind Somalinet to '96 when Marehan wadaado were fighting Hawiye, I bet nobody cared, so don't be suprised when you see the same people not care. Anyway its afur time gotta roll bro. [/quote]

Same here... once you said is jihad than we have nothing to argue about since were on the same page. Also i do know that there are some people fighting for qabil and if they die they died the death of Jahilya... I also dont agree with suicide bombing but i just refuse to turn all my energy in speaking all the errors of the icu while ethiopia is in our country like some members...

[sadeboi]

There is no jihad in Somalia, only the kids who were fighting in iidaale and so forth died in jihad because they really believed they were in one. Whats going in Muqdisho now is not a Jihad.

[Alchemist]

People dont hate, subhanallah speak the truth.

Anyways mashallah just look at the pictures, how peaceful xamar looks...

[xidigow]

The last Ramadan In Mogadishu..I was there and 1000% enjoyed the peacefully life in there. but I tell you one thing, It wasn't because of the ICU, it was simply the will of the people. In fact, the main reason it didn't last was, the ICus claim of being the peacemakers.