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Voltage,

You can keep trying to drown the truth with lies, but as the next few days will prove, your whole scheme of logic will be once again punctured. Quit while you can salvage some dignity b/c when it is all said and done, your grand-ma bedtime stories will be thrown out of the window.

[quote="Twisted_Logic"]Voltage,

You can keep trying to drown the truth with lies, but as the next few days will prove, your whole scheme of logic will be once again punctured. Quit while you can salvage some dignity b/c when it is all said and done, your grand-ma bedtime stories will be thrown out of the window.[/quote]

If anyone wanted to find out what it feels to see a puny little girl shaking her fist at the class bully, look no farther...!

Voltage,

You know there is some-thing miserably sad about people who believe in deception as a way of life, Trying to rely on low quality propaganda and tempered " evidence"to get their way.No wonder NO-ONE on SNET doesnt trust you Marehan robots and takes your claims of "proof" with a pinch of salt- a LARGEEE pinch

"To see why this Topic is a comprehensive historical discussion without distortions and hiding information, you only have to look on page 5, chapter 5 titled: ''The Storm of the Resistance gathers strength''

WHICH BOOK DAMEER? ROBERT HESS BOOK OR LEE'S BOOK, BECAUSE NONE OF THEM TALK SAY THAT. I WANT YOU TO SHOW YOUR SOURCE DO NOT JUST WRITE FAKE LINES.

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LOOOL. I am debating with kids that cant read.

Page 5 of this Topic, chapter 5 of the Axad Shiikii story lol. Here is the link: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=134391&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=60

Now you cant miss it lol.

Anyways, first learn how to read, you already shoot in your foot with your own photocopied links. I'll give an example of this tommorow.


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''When in reality WE did not say anything but just presented what the same source your tried to corrupt says:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/ ... talia3.jpg''

DS/Voltage,

You should not confuse us for kids. Photocopying one page while leaving the rest out of discussion is something which unsuspecting eyes fall for. Go to page 5 of this topic, chapter 5 and see if the info you and your bro gave is something new or something already discussed in this topic.

Listen kids, I don't have all day, if your not going to bring the challenge kindly get your pmsing selfs out of this topic. All day, you repeat the same nac-nac.

Twisted aka pinky
"Each and every point you have raised has been proven to be false OVER AND OVER AGAIN."

Dameerweyne
"I'll adress the other distortions ONE by ONE, in due time."


Twisted, what have you brough to the topic, nothing all you do is copy somaliweyn lies, and he even said he will come back to speak about my facts.

Kids, I don't have time to wabeey all day as you would wish, so kindly bring evidence from the book, you writing sentences and authors is not enough, photocopy your sources, so we can all see. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? Lol, well, I know, but they don't lol.

SadeBoi,

You either can't read or you are selectively choosing to ignore what Somaliwayne and I have been posting. I am just hoping that it is the later, so we can educate you on the Somali History, you have been censored from :)

Sade, it is time to understand an admittance of defeat when you see one. I would see the need to keep this going if either Somaliweyn/Twisted actually believed themselves but it is clear as daylight they accepted defeat already.

You get the proof, you got the photocopies, there is no need for "discussion" so there is no need to keep this going. The truth is available and I believe the audience should be left to decide what is what..!

[quote="Twisted_Logic"] or you are selectively choosing to ignore what Somaliwayne and I have been posting. :)[/quote]



Twisted I've read it and I'm not interested to hear the personal opinion of Somaliweyn and Yourself. Furthurmore I have an intelligent mind and want to read the sources myself since I'm not around a College campus anymore where I can do the verification myself. I need You to make Your point and then show me case in points references in the text so I can draw my own conclusion. I don't need translation or explanation make Your statements and than embellish Your point with textual evidence if there is nothing to hide. Quotations which could very well be fabricated and then a explanation of the quote to Your favor won't prove anything to anybody. I understand its easier to fool people like me and others who for whatever reason cannot verify what You quoted right away but for a guy like Sadeboi who scanned the exact text verbaitum it didn't work and the exposure of the academic dishonesty and distortion of the facts is plain for everybody to see.

Murax,

It is very ironical for you to accuse either me or SW of distorting the truth when your boy SB has been writing this distorted views for the past few days

This is what SB said:

"In the northern zone, where the Marehan and the Aulihan lived, there had never been political or administrative organization of any sort. The tribes there were as FREE AS ALL SOMALI HAD BEEN BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE BRITISH AND THE ITALIANS THIRTY-FIVE YEARS EARLIER"

While the truth says:

"From 1893 to 1896, Italian presence was limited to a small garrison of soldiers at LUUQ on the UPPER JUBBA River, and a few traders along the coast. The Italian outpost at Luuq had been established in 1895 to gather information on Somali trade in the region and to protect Italian interests in the Face of Ethiopian claims in the area." ( Lee Van Cassanelli)

Another lie SB told:

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"Cheifs of the Shidle, Hawadleh, and MOBILEEN Somali began to swear allegiance to the colonial power. After the SUBMISSION of these cheifs and of several WADAN chiefs, the Somali enemies of the Bimal and the Wadam tribes petitioned Carletti to move forces inland."

MY GOD, lets continue, this is on page 91, and this is a letter governor Carletti wrote to the Italian Foreign Minster:

"With naive guile they [THE SOMALI CLANS MENTIONED] seek to prick my amour propre to make me move without delay. I have a sheaf of letters in which they DO NOTHING BUT REPEAT: WHY DON'T YOU COME, YOU HAVE RIFLES? YOU HAVE CANONS, WHAT DO YOU FEAR? YOU ARE AFRAID...MUHAMMED ABDULLAH HAS FORBIDDEN YOU TO MOVE"
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But the truth says something like this:


The Wacdaan

" The Wacdaan were mainly pastoralist, with a small group turning to farming throughout the centuries for their alliances with the Geledi clan who were mainly agriculuralists. As said above, the Wacdaan were OPPOSED TO ANY COMPROMISE WITH THE FOREIGNERS. The FIERCE ANTI-FOREIGN stance was persistent in the culture of of WACDAAN and in the very Lafoole. The Place has been called Lafoole because apparently the Wacdaan DEFEATED the Gaalo Madoow, when they migrated to the Lower Shabelle around the 18th Century, hence the translation of Lafoole which is: Bones." ( Lee V Canssanelli)

Because of the Sultan of Geledi seemed hesistant to resist the Italian Expansion into Banadir Coast, the alliance was COOLED OFF. Apart from the weakening of their bonds with the Geledi, t he drought of 1890s which lead to a large population of their of wacdaan abandoning their homelands, the Italians posed the GREATEST THREAT TO THE GROUP. They were, moreover, the first inland Somalis who's territory was actually invaded by colonial soldiers at the time of Cecchi expedition.

" One of the most influential leaders among the Wacdaan was the leader of Shaykh Ahmed Haji Mahhadi. He was not Wacdaan but became the sheikh of Wacdaan. He was born in Mogadishu and hailed from the lineage of Mogadishu (Abgal). He had lived there most his life, teaching alongside such renowned Muslim Scholars as Shaykh Sufi and Shaykh Mukhdaar. Like the latter, HE FOUND COEXISTENCE IN A TOWN WHICH HOUSES INFIDALS INTOLERABLE, AND HE CHOSE TO RETIRE TO THE SMALL COASTAL ENCLAVE OF NIMOW, a little south of Mogadishu. There he set up a small jamaaca which attracted several of the local inhabitants. When Nimow was shelled by an Italian warship in retaliation for the Cecchi ambush, AHMED HAJJI feld to Day Suufi ( the heart of Wacdaan territory) where intensified his preaching against infidels. As late as 1907, the acting Italian governor considered him 'THE MOST LISTENED-TO PROPAGANDIST' in this area of Shabeelle. Even the Geledi turn to him rather their own sutan for religious consel. ( Lee V Cassanelli)

One of the Wacdaan leaders apparently influenced Ahmed Hajji Hassan was Hassan Hussain, Titular head of the largest sub-section of the Wacdaan clan, the Abubakar Moldheere. The Abubakar Moldheere WERE THE MOST NUMEROUS AND HENCE THE MOST POWERFUL SECTION OF THE WACDAAN in the late 19th Century. Hassan Hussein is remembered as one of the FIRST wacdaan to OPPOSE THE ITALIANS, WARRIORS FROM HIS LINEAGE WERE PROMINENT AMONG THE FORCES THAT ATTACKED CECCHI AT LOFOOLE. LIKE WISE, HIS LINEAGE WAS SPOKESMEN FOR THE ABUBAKAR MOLDHEERE, WHO MOST STRENUOUSLY ARGUED THE BLOCKADE OF CARAVAN ROUTES TO MOGADISHU ( Economic sanctions)" ( Lee v Cassanelli)


Now tell me who is distorting facts and who is not?

This is the crap load that creature Voltage wrote to make a Marehan war against fellow Somali clans fighting the British as a FIGHT AGAINST COLONIZATION,


A screen copy is the preferred method of the Sade Lobby as you can see from these examples:

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But his own source contradicted him and squarely made said that those fights were against FELLOW SOMALI CLANS. Not just fellow Somali clans but against Somali clans fighting the British ( while this is for another day :))


This is what his source said:
" In 1909 sheikh Abdul Bari, a government agent, arranged a meeting of all the sub-clans, at which they were told that the BRITISH GOVERNMENT WOULD SOON BE EXTENDING ITS AUTHORITY IN THEIR DIRECTION. They were also advised to SETTLE ALL THEIR CLAIMS BEFORE HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S"

So with all due respect please take the false alarms some-where else. They sure aint flying here

I really don't know whats being debated, as I have been busy with school finals (yes now its spring break) so I'm not gonna say much as I am not fully aware of the discussion.

That being said belittling the Lafoole massacre is belittling Somali history. This was the first major resistance and it kick started all the other ones.

The American Revolution started with only a single shot fired.

Shirib,

What I have problem with is people who were licking up to the British to allow them to fight the "EVIL" Germans are the same people criticizing the brave men who laid their lives for the Somali cause. It is very ironic really

[quote="Twisted_Logic"]Murax,

It is very ironical for you to accuse either me or SW of distorting the truth when your boy SB has been writing this distorted views for the past few days

This is what SB said:

"In the northern zone, where the Marehan and the Aulihan lived, there had never been political or administrative organization of any sort. The tribes there were as FREE AS ALL SOMALI HAD BEEN BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE BRITISH AND THE ITALIANS THIRTY-FIVE YEARS EARLIER"

While the truth says:

"From 1893 to 1896, Italian presence was limited to a small garrison of soldiers at LUUQ on the UPPER JUBBA River, and a few traders along the coast. The Italian outpost at Luuq had been established in 1895 to gather information on Somali trade in the region and to protect Italian interests in the Face of Ethiopian claims in the area." ( Lee Van Cassanelli)

Another lie SB told:
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Murax, look at this...wallahi I am not even going to respond because this first "point" killed me.

Notice how he said Sadeboi has been "WRITING". Is this writing or a PHOTOCOPIED SOURCE FROM ROBERT HESS'S BOOK ITALIAN COLONIALISM IN SOMALIA THAT EVERYONE CAN CHECK:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/ ... ed-1-2.jpg


Who is writing?? Twisted who has not provided a single evidence for saying Sadeboi "wrote" that or Sadeboi who did not say anything but POSTED THE EXACT PHOTOCOPY? Yet if you notice the kid wrote Sadeboi "wrote" it? Who wrote and what did they write?

Sadeboi posted that screen copy of a information they first said was not written in the book, and now this guy gots some abstract stuff about a Luuq that was not even Mareexaan at that time and accuses Sadeboi of doing what is doing which is WRITING FROM HIS AZZ as was said from day one..!

Pay in mind that is the FIRST contention he made..I did not even get beyond that wallahi after I fell over laughing reading the pungent irony yo looooooooooool

Twisted, you can not read, and your retarded.

There are two books,

Cassanelli wrote "The Shaping of Somalia: Reconstructing the History of a Pastoral People"

In his book this is what he says of wacdaan,

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/ ... alia44.jpg

IMBECILE DID I WRITE THIS?

The second book is written by Robert Hess "Italian Colonialism in Somalia"

This is what he said of wacdaan

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/ ... talia3.jpg

and their willing to submit to colonial powers.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/ ... talia5.jpg

and
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/ ... talia6.jpg

About Marexaan this is what Robert Hess wrote

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/ ... ed-1-2.jpg


Are you dyslexic?

What did I write, robert hess and lee cassanelli wrote this.


Two books, two authors.

1893-1896 Luuq was mostly raxanweyn territory, gasaguur or something even shirib knows it. And that is not speaking of Sade.

The two dameers of somalinet, ARE THE PHOTOCOPIES INCORRECT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAYING? BECAUSE ITS NOT MY WORDS, ITS ROBERT HESS AND LEE CASSANELLI.

Rageedi Sade...apparently the loophole for the Wabeey-boy's glaring lack of evidence and repugnant dishonesty has been to accuse you of "writing" anything. This is the best example of the case of crying out thief before you are labeled one.

Rageedi for cutting out all side conversation and devoting attention to the real imporantance, i.e HARD-CORE EVIDENCE.