Lafoole 1896: ''Axad Shiiki''

[Shirib]

[quote="Xusseyn"]It's not really Somalis who don't collect and write about their history but Hawiyes, other Somalis do collect what ever history they have although some governments in the past have turned some of these histories into national history ignoring the history of the peoples in the south. Certain people who were in charge at national research and documenting academia where in the opinion that certain regions and tribes in Somalia didn't have history

I am suprised that no one actually talks about the Moobleen who were able to defeat the Ethiopians lead by Haile Sallasie's father I believe near Balcad alone at a very hight cost.
[quote="Somaliweyn"]Shirib,

It really has nothing to do with qabiil as neither Geledi or Biimaal are HAwiye and their hsitory isn't written either.

Remember Somalia didn't have a written language till 1972 and the Osmaniya alphabet wasn't in great use because most people didn't know it.

The history of Somalia that we have that is written were either written by Arabs or traveling Europeans and other Africans.

Somali's rarely wrote down their history everything was oral.

I have heard and read a little about the Mobleen but do you care to educate us.

[Xusseyn]

[quote="Shirib"][quote="Xusseyn"]It's not really Somalis who don't collect and write about their history but Hawiyes, other Somalis do collect what ever history they have although some governments in the past have turned some of these histories into national history ignoring the history of the peoples in the south. Certain people who were in charge at national research and documenting academia where in the opinion that certain regions and tribes in Somalia didn't have history

I am suprised that no one actually talks about the Moobleen who were able to defeat the Ethiopians lead by Haile Sallasie's father I believe near Balcad alone at a very hight cost.
[quote="Somaliweyn"]Shirib,

It really has nothing to do with qabiil as neither Geledi or Biimaal are HAwiye and their hsitory isn't written either.

Remember Somalia didn't have a written language till 1972 and the Osmaniya alphabet wasn't in great use because most people didn't know it.

The history of Somalia that we have that is written were either written by Arabs or traveling Europeans and other Africans.

Somali's rarely wrote down their history everything was oral.

I have heard and read a little about the Mobleen but do you care to educate us.[/quote]

I said Hawiye and the people in the south so the Geledi and Biimaal are incluuded. All these history that were are talking about is nothing ancient or old it's some things that had happened a generation before Somalia achieved it's independence a lot of people who were witness to these events that we are talking about were alive when Somali oral history and poetry was being collected by government agencies yet not much have been collected from them. While certain poets, men and events were very much over rated and were turned into national literature and history. If you don't know this well go and ask people or read about it.

Why were Wiilwal and Raage Ugaas named after places and schools in Mogadishu and were turned into national figures and yet no mention of Hussein Hassan or Sheeikh Cashiir and his sons, if it wasn't about qabiil?

Why were people who were in charge of the Somali academic of arts and science had the opinion of certain region not having history and literature?

[Somaliweyn]

Correction, in part 3, on Geledi clan, the following error has been discovered: Ommission of the word 'limited'

''The succession of Osman Ahmed in the 1880s brought to the Geledi sultanate a man of lesser ambitions and more political skills than his illustrious forebears.''


It should have been:

The succession of Osman Ahmed in the 1880s brought to the Geledi sultanate a man of lesser ambitions and more limited political skills than his illustrious forebears.

[Somaliweyn]

Xusseyn,

I am aware of the corruption that was rampant in the Somali academic of arts and science.

Thats why I don't put alot of trust in all work written by I.M Lewis or other obscure authors. I suspect I.M Lewis of been a government employer, someone who writes down anything as long as he gets some money. This too would explain his new found mission in propagating the Somaliland as an independent nation.

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Having said that,

I still think all Somali groups do not posses the habit of writing down history, this is mainly because there was no written language for Af-Somali. And oral history has not much credibility as it changes the content gets altered from mouth to mouth.

The great Dervish struggle in the north was mainly written down by Non-Somalis when the history unfolded, later on Somalis wrote it when the Somali language was installed. Till that time it was memorizing the poems.

[Somaliweyn]

SOMALIS TO BE PUNISHED.

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For the Murder of Italians at Magadoxo, Africa.

Rome, Dec. 3.—In the chamber of Deputies today the Marquis Visconti Venosti, Minister of Foreign Affaires, confirmed the reports from Zanzibar of the murder of the Italian Consul, Signor Cecchi, the Captains, and a number of officers of the Italian warships Volturno and Staffeta, and the wounding of 100 or more other Italians by Somalis at Magadoxo. The men had fallen into an ambuscade and were attacked without warning.
The Government , the Minister said, would take energetic measures to punish the Somalis who were guilty of the outrage.
The Marquis said that the confirmatory reports showed that fourteen Italians had been killed, together with a number of the escorts of the Italians whose caravan was attacked during the night. Twenty-seven bodies were recovered by a rescue party when hurried to the scene from Magadoxo when the news of fighting reached there. The rescuers arrested a number of the Somalis who participated in the massacre and punished them appropriately. Many of the Somalis tribesmen were also killed by the Italians in the fight that followed the attack on the caravan.

The New York Times
Published: December 4, 1986


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 94679ED7CF


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What were these ''energetic measures to punish the Somalis who were guilty of the outrage''?

In the coming installment, I will show how the Italians reacted to this ''Lafoole Massacre'', and how these reactions set into motion one of the longest resistance struggles waged in Southern Somalia.

[Somaliweyn]

For the Italian-speaking people:

An Italian book titled: L'ECCIDIO DI LAFOLE' (Massacre of Lafole)

http://cgi.ebay.it/L'ECCIDIO-DI-LAFOLE' ... otohosting



For the English-speaking people:"

You have to wait for the next installments.

[Voltage]

I thought you were not swayed by tribal hold. Why not extend your research to all others?

[Somaliweyn]

DS,

I am concerned in this topic with Axad Shiiki and consequences.

As I said in part 4:

''In the coming part, I'll explain the immediate consequences of the clash at Lafoole. How the Italians reacted to the 'Lafoole Massacre' and how the different Somali groups in Benadir reacted to the event and the wider issue of Italian pressence in Benadir coast. Slowly on from there we will arrive at the heroic struggle of the Biyamaal and their allies, amongst which their erstwhile enemy Wacdaan, against the Italian expansion.''


The heroic struggle of chiefly Biyamaal will be elaborated on after the setting of Axad Shiiki has been completed. After all, the Biyamaal struggle was not one event, but covered many years. Also, the fallacy of slavery been the main reason for revolt will be discussed thorougly in the comming installments.

Perhaps after this heroic struggle, ''Khamiis Darawiish'' will be discussed. This is when Benadir coast was in ''Darawiish'' mood...and rallyied to the Darawiish cause.

In short, this topic is concerned with Southern Somalia (Benadir). The North (British) has been written on extensively, the South (Italian) remains a mystery.
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Anyways, you should stop with these cheap shots at me. At least, I present a complete history instead of basing myself one 1 line in an obscure biography/source.

[Voltage]

My name is Voltage.

[Somaliweyn]

DS,

no need to change nicks,,,,or is this a new identity-building after the shamefull performance of DS in the last couple of discussions?


Or perhaps a new tactic against me: Hit, run, hide-tactic.

Don't worry I let you be

[Voltage]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]DS,

no need to change nicks,,,,or is this a new identity-building after the shamefull performance of DS in the last couple of discussions?


Or perhaps a new tactic against me: Hit, run, hide-tactic.

Don't worry I let you be [/quote]


I have only to post the link of our last debate. You would think knowing this is the net and all our discussions are accessible would make you a bit more honest if not...humble but I see certain ignorance never leaves those who have historical ties to it.

[Shirib]

Voltage

I don't wanna get in between this but how is he doing tribal history. This is Somali history and its encounter with the Italians is it his fault that Somali's are divided into tribes that live in different areas.

Would he be doing tribal teachings if he were discussind Sayid Abdullah Hassan??

[Somaliweyn]

Shirib,

the name is DS....that only should ring a bell.


DS,

You can post whatever you want....bursting into emotional outcry and childesh name-calling is not rational, intelligent, grown-up discussion in my heck of the wood.

[Voltage]

Shirib don't worry about it, the important thing is Somaliweyn understands.

As for this history, actually I am fascinated by it and thank him for bringing it to my/our attention. My comments to him have nothing to do with the subject matter itself, as I have said before Somaliweyn understands what I mean.

[Shirib]

Ok guys as long as ya'll understand each other.