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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:44 pm

zingii wrote:Nur ibn Mujahid ibn ‘Ali ibn ‘Abdullah al Dhuhi Suha (Somali: Nuur ibn Muujahiid, Arabic: نور بن مجاهد‎) (literally, "the morning star"; died 1567), of the Ahl Suhawyan division of the Marehan branch of the Somali Darod clan, was Emir of Harar in the 16th century.[1] Marrying the widow of Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi (also known as Ahmed Gurey and Ahmad Gragn), he also succeeded Imam Ahmad as leader of the Muslim forces fighting Christian Ethiopia.[2]

Considered the patron saint of Harar, Mujahid was called the Sahib al-Fath at-Thani, or "Master of the Second Conquest". When Imam Ahmad, who had led the Muslim conquest of the Ethiopian highlands, was killed in 1543, the Muslim forces fell back in confusion to Harar. Nur, the dead leader’s sister’s son, married Ahmad Gragn’s firebrand widow, Bati del Wanbara, and undertook to renew the fortunes of the Muslim city, which had been sacked in 1550. Promoted to Emir around 1550-51, he spent the next two years reorganizing his forces, and construction the wall which still surrounds the city.[3]


Qoraalka kore wuxuu caddenayaa in Amiir Nuur(AUN) ahaa Marexaan oo uu dumaalay xaaskii Imaan Gurey(AUN), laakiinse waxa kale uu qorayo waxaa ka mid ah in Amiir Nuur ay dhashay Imaan Gurey walaashiis. Marka suasha aan qaba ayaa ah: Abtigaa xaaskiis ma guursan kartaa ama soomaalidu dhaqan ahaan miyay guursadaan xaaska abtigood? jawaabta waa NO. Dumaalku wuxuu qabtaa oo dumaali kara kan qofka dhinta wax isku yihiin sida( walaalka xaaskis, Aderkaa xaskisa, father side etc) but not abtigaa xaaskiis. Marka maadaama Amiir Nuur uu xaaska dumaalay waxay cadayneysaa in uu Imaanka wax isku yihiin xaga qabiil, xaga abtiris, xigto etc. And since Amiir Nuur is mareexaan Then Imaan Gurey would be Mareexaan.


Standing entrances of Emir Nuur's wall

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His tomb

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The nephew of the Imam, who avenged his death and wed his widow :clap:

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:46 pm

guryasame wrote:
Voltage wrote:
guryasame wrote:the little faqash marexaan illegitimate kacaan children are simply interested in the propraganda that Imam was from their savage naked tribe, wtf was perhaps one of the savage tribes united by the imam to defend themselves from sure extinction simple, The Adal ifaat state was composed of several ethnicities the noble dir somalis, axumites, and arabs immigrant of which the ahlul bayt needs a mention since they were transforming force of what we call Somali nation today


Get an ESL certificate, learn how to write properly, and maybe a a middle school kid will debate you about legitimate, sourced history for once.


l :lol: :lol: :lol: i need a secretary to proof read my posts on this site wanna apply sissy boi


You can cry heaven, you can cry hell..all you are is an illiterate folk tale reciter. When it comes to the world of academic historical researching, take your seat in the back and observe calmly.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:51 pm

While it is true Imam Ahmed Gurey fought as a Muslim leader who united all the Muslims, all his allies leading the Somalis were his cousins. Emir Nuur's family was one of the longest sultans in Adal and the political leader of Somalis in the East Garaad Hirabu.

Garaad Axmed ibn Hiraabu was both the chief of the Mareexaan as well as the main chief of the Somalis.

The surviving parts of the Arabic sources were translated in to French by Pankhurst at the end of the 19th century. Pankhurst writes on page 29 (see SS):

Les Somalis fatigues de voir leurs troupeux enleves et leur pays devaste se rendirent aupres de l'Imam ayant a leur tete leur chef Harabuwah (Hirabu). Ainsi, tous les Somalis avec leur chef firent la paix avec l'Imam, une paix parfaite et sincere. A la suite de cela, L'Imam, fit des preparatifs pour une guerre sainte (Jihad); il avait en vue l'Abyssinie. Les Somalis avec leur chef Harabuwah etaient maintenant soumis a son autorite(I).


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Roughly translated as:

The Somalis, weary of the destruction inflicted on them went to the Imaam (Imaam Axmed), led by their (chosen) leader Hirabu. The Somalis with their leader concluded a complete peace with the Imaam.

After this, the Imaam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu.



Jean Doresse writes in 'Histoire sommaire de la Corne orientale de l'Afrique‎' (p. 205):

...9 enfin les Somalis dont le principal chef est Hirabou, à la tête des Merraihan)


... and finally the Somalis whose principal head chief is Hirabu, leader of the Mareeexaan.


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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:54 pm

The original book written by Pankhurst 150 years, which in turn contains the lost Arabic documents that cannot be found else where.

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Secondly, Pankhurst writes:
Les Somalis fatigues de voir leurs troupeux enleves et leur pays devaste se rendirent aupres de l'Imam ayant a leur tete leur chef Harabuwah (Hirabu). Ainsi, tous les Somalis avec leur chef firent la paix avec l'Imam, une paix parfaite et sincere. A la suite de cela, L'Imam, fit des preparatifs pour une guerre sainte (Jihad); il avait en vue l'Abyssinie. Les Somalis avec leur chef Harabuwah etaient maintenant soumis a son autorite(I).


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Roughly translated as:

The Somalis, weary of the destruction inflicted on them went to the Imaam (Imaam Axmed), led by their (chosen) leader Hirabu. The Somalis with their leader concluded a complete peace with the Imaam.

After this, the Imaam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu.


Finally, the 2003 abridged source that you are quoting says:

After this, the Imam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu

In summary, Somalis had 2 main leaders, Imaam Axmed Gurey and Imaam Nuur ibn Mujaahid and one main chieftain Hiraabu. Following them were several mini chieftains such as Garaad Daawuud of the Habar Magaadle and Garaad Mataan of the Gerri Koombe.

Source: Warsame101
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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby guryasame » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:03 pm

Sissy boi,

dont lie to yourself ur nothing but a monkey primed in kacaan propaganda, had you an ounce of integrity,intelligence or self-worth you would not be repeating the faqash tribal fantasies indoctrinated in you from the moment of your illegitimate birth. Its clear from the garbage you and your ilk posted above that all you care about is associating your insignificant naked and savage clan with Imam Al-Ghazi, and have no regards for any fundamental question concerning his struggle or for that matter the history of the region, which you think in your little minds that you can distort at will lol.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby S-D-M » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:13 pm

guryasame wrote:Sissy boi,

dont lie to yourself ur nothing but a monkey primed in kacaan propaganda, had you an ounce of integrity,intelligence or self-worth you would not be repeating the faqash tribal fantasies indoctrinated in you from the moment of your illegitimate birth. Its clear from the garbage you and your ilk posted above that all you care about is associating your insignificant naked and savage clan with Imam Al-Ghazi, and have no regards for any fundamental question concerning his struggle or for that matter the history of the region, which you think in your little minds that you can distort at will lol.




Beside calling names which is the sign of the weak do you have any prove of what you stated. Voltage has brought prove forward.


Nin caytamay waa nin laga badshay.........



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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:14 pm

S-D-M wrote:
guryasame wrote:Sissy boi,

dont lie to yourself ur nothing but a monkey primed in kacaan propaganda, had you an ounce of integrity,intelligence or self-worth you would not be repeating the faqash tribal fantasies indoctrinated in you from the moment of your illegitimate birth. Its clear from the garbage you and your ilk posted above that all you care about is associating your insignificant naked and savage clan with Imam Al-Ghazi, and have no regards for any fundamental question concerning his struggle or for that matter the history of the region, which you think in your little minds that you can distort at will lol.




Beside calling names which the sign of the weak do you have any prove of what you stated. Voltage has brought prove forward.


Nin caytamay waa nin laga badshay.........


:lol: :lol: I will tell you right now sxb. The guy is illiterate and a folk tale reciter. There is nothing he can contribute to an academic discourse on this history which is why I said when a middle schooler takes him seriously, come back to Voltage. :lol:
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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Basra- » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:24 pm

:x :x VO .......enuf with this french crap! Post some ancient British literature for my pleasure please! I promise to comment. :mrgreen: :roll:

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:26 pm

Basra- wrote::x :x VO .......enuf with this french crap! Post some ancient British literature for my pleasure please! I promise to comment. :mrgreen: :roll:


French is so much more interesting than plain English, no? :mrgreen:

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby guryasame » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:30 pm

what has he proven the only thing i see is that marexaan rribe were nationalized by one of the leaders of Adal/ifat suddenly the naked savages claim the kingdom wtf aabo siyaad is dead fock of with you warped logic

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:41 pm

guryasame wrote:what has he proven the only thing i see is that marexaan rribe were nationalized by one of the leaders of Adal/ifat suddenly the naked savages claim the kingdom wtf aabo siyaad is dead fock of with you warped logic


Is Marehan stuck somewhere in the midst of your small pea-sized head? You keep repeating Marehan all day and considering this clan even ruled modern Somalia for 21 years is this where your nightmares are coming from?

I know what you are to a sub-clan degree, but do you see me talking about you? Is it important? Is there any historical or otherwise significance?

Let us write that for the record.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Grant » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:52 pm

guryasame wrote:
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guryasame wrote:grant,

Here is a simple question show me any permanent presence of ottoman in the indian ocean or in india and the orient, the ottoman navy did act in conjunction with other powers in the area but had no foothold in the indian ocean, the red sea ports of aden and jidda and offcourse egypt were the exception. Even the moghul navy admirals were hashemite/cushitic/xabasha from the somaliland coast...No power in the indian ocean existed without the patronage of these cushitic warriors.


Get a grip, GA.

The coastal cities were racially mixed, with lamagodley Somalis being on the short end. There were early sailors from Persia, Iraq, etc., but the majority of the Indian Ocean trade following the period of Portuguese domination, was firmly in Omani/Zanzibari (Arab) hands. When Omani ships were in port, it was said they even exercised control over the Banadir ports.

This trade was associated with the Swahili culture (the three white clans and the five black tribes) and had very little to do with the Cushitic lamogodley Somalis. This continued up until the british arrived and began ending the slave trade after about 1873. The slave trade began moving overland about this time to avoid the British and other European ships, which were in firm control of the Indian Ocean after about 1880.

http://books.google.com/books?id=JtHdYS ... t&resnum=8



lol I had a good laugh, i see from the above ur too disoriented about the history of the region, will wait till u have your head out of ur ass to have a beneficial discourse with you


:mrgreen: Here is a review of a book whose thesis it is that control of the Indian Ocean trade is what led to the sequence of world domination of certain cultures over time. You don't have to agree with the thesis to note that at no time did Cushites have control of this trade:

http://www.historycooperative.org/journ ... dhury.html

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Voltage » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:59 pm

Grant you are absolutely right when you talk about the coast control.

I have never seen so much folktale falsities peddled around so much. What socio-politico importance do blank terms like Cushitic have? That one said:

Even the moghul navy admirals were hashemite/cushitic/xabasha from the somaliland coast...No power in the indian ocean existed without the patronage of these cushitic warriors.


I really cannot deduce if he is a kid or something else stunting him intellectually? There is no such thing as Cushitic term historical importance socio-politically or even alliance wise, and Somalis have never held sovereignty over the coast. The same Somaliland he talks about was controlled on the coastel front by the Ottomans, and later the Egyptians and British, whereas the coast facing the Indian ocean was a subject and part and parcel of the Swahili culture controlled by the Omanis and later the Italians took control over it.

Nomads had nothing to do with the coast.
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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby guryasame » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:00 pm

listen idiot:

What have marexaan naked savages got to do with adal/ ifat, harar, zeila and berbera? start their or fock off... The 21 yrs of abberant rule and hijacking of the somali state by a marexaan president and a midgaan vp which we have sent to the dustpin of history by the sheer testicular fortitude and an ak-47is not something i loose sleep over, its you who will reap its disgrace in this world and the hereafter.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Alphamander » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:03 pm

Ahmed-Gurey wrote:By reading this great book, I realized how devastating religious wars can be.

Very devastating. That is precisely the reason the world needs secularism.


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