Best Somali movement

[Kismaayo21]

its clear to see that the SNF is the shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[Voltage]

[quote="Alchemist"]Sxb there is a big difference between couple of skirmishes and the final victory.. [/quote]

Yes there is, so in the final victory does USC occupy Gedo? Do they occupy Gaalkacyo? Do they occupy Kismaayo? Do they occupy Beled-Weyne?

I have never seen a bigger i.diot wallahi.

While Northern Darood have taken Gaalkacyo and anything north, and Southern Darood are fully in control of Jubbaland, Raxanweyn of their lands, and Xawaadle of Hiiraan, where is the Hawiye of USC?

Sacad and Saleebaan killing 400 from each other in a land where the biggest city Hobyo is 10 shacks.

Murusade and others doing the same in maxaas.

Abgaal sub-clans facing off in Shabellada Dhexe and Xamar the most saddest piece of hell thanks to the mooryaanism legacy started by Caydiid.

Inaa lilaahi no wonder Hawiye do not talk about this in real life.

[Luq_Ganane]

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I knew these kids would come back with silly retorts, and Somaliweyn would come barging in refuting documented evidence with his incoherent anecdotes.

Somaliweyn, as I said earlier I will do nothing to disturb your mental extacy by distortion of events. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe, as long as you know the truth Btw, even from a clannist perspective, it is even insulting for me to address an "udujeen" as its not like that clan carries any weight, and even if I was to take you as a "Muloduud" rather than a Udejeen, then know that for the past 20 years or so you were exhiled from your own lands and only controlled Karan and Medina districts of Xamar while simunteneously getting bullied in Hiiraan by Xawadle. Your kind just saw Xamar in '06 with Tigray escorts to save you from your Iljeex 'boogeyman' ofcourse.

Somalilife/Alchemist,

Xamar being in the midst of Hawiyedom was captured fair and square by USC. No question about that. However know that the old man Caydid (aun) was not some little Muse Suudi or Qeybadid but had designs on becoming a PRESIDENT, with USC ruling the country. On that note, it was an utter failure as the only lands that you guys were able to get were your own ancesteral lands, and then you turned and backstabbed each other like animals.

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="Alchemist"]Inaa lilaahi no wonder Hawiye do not talk about this in real life. [/quote]


Niyaho thats the first thing I noticed when I came to Somalinet. Meesha waaba "Disneyland" ama "Neverland Ranch" camal for these guys.

[Somali_4Life]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]:lol: ,

I knew these kids would come back with silly retorts, and Somaliweyn would come barging in refuting documented evidence with his incoherent anecdotes.

Somaliweyn, as I said earlier I will do nothing to disturb your mental extacy by distortion of events. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe, as long as you know the truth Btw, even from a clannist perspective, it is even insulting for me to address an "udujeen" as its not like that clan carries any weight, and even if I was to take you as a "Muloduud" rather than a Udejeen, then know that for the past 20 years or so you were exhiled from your own lands and only controlled Karan and Medina districts of Xamar while simunteneously getting bullied in Hiiraan by Xawadle. Your kind just saw Xamar in '06 with Tigray escorts to save you from your Iljeex 'boogeyman' ofcourse.


Somalilife/Alchemist,

Xamar being in the midst of Hawiyedom was captured fair and square by USC. No question about that. However know that the old man Caydid (aun) was not some little Muse Suudi or Qeybadid but had designs on becoming a PRESIDENT, with USC ruling the country. On that note, it was an utter failure as the only lands that you guys were able to get were your own ancesteral lands, and then you turned and backstabbed each other like animals. [/quote]

So you do admit that conquering muqdisho is already winning the war (ofcourse you can win some battles,but not the war itself.Hannibal won some battles,but not the war.Hitler won some major battles,still not the war). Honor and strenght belongs to Allah ,His Messenger and the believers.
About the backstabbing,blame this on ali nafto/donkey ali.

[Somaliweyn]

Lug, no need to defend SNF, you don't see me defending USC do you? Truth needs to be told, as I many times denounced the USC as nothing more than a paper-movement.

Having said that,

Lets not distort history. The infamous 4 months war is written down in history. Mudulood has not lost one inch of territory, Kaaran, Yaaqshid, Medina, Shangaani, Shibis etc are all still mainly inhabited by Mudulood. During the whole 4 months, no inch was lost. Thus succesfully been the first group to stop the war-machine of Aideed. Ofcourse, thousands of people died as was the pattern in 90s. A black era in Somali history.

''Various attempts to mediate the conflict between the two men failed, and on November 17, 1991, General Aideed's forces launched a large-scale attack on Ali Mahdi's forces, who occupied the northern part of Mogadishu. The capital soon became the scene of widespread and flagrant abuses, as both sides used artillery and anti-tank missiles, as well as automatic weapons, indiscriminately. Africa Watch estimates that in Mogadishu alone, 14,000 people were killed and 27,000 wounded between November 17, 1991, and February 29, 1992''

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/somalia/

''Since the violence of this last bout of fighting had considerably weakened the USC, that is the various segments of the Hawiye clan, the pro-Siad Barre SNF forces in the south took heart. After acquiring new weaponry from South Africa through Kenya[30]30, the forces of the former régime under the command of General Mohamed Said Hersi 'Morgan' launched a big attack northwards in March 1992. By April, they had reached the capital, forcing 'President' Ali Mahdi and General Aydeed to become reconciled, at least temporarily, in order to face this renewed threat. The pro-Siad Barre forces were defeated and forced southwards, with General Aydeed in hot pursuit. The fleeing SNF troops were chased all the way back to the Kenyan border and the two struggling armies looted once more the inter-riverine area, causing a new exodus of refugees.''

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/ ... &page=publ

This ofcourse led to Aideeds group occupying Gedo region, and proclaiming SNA faction in Baardheere.

''With the assistance of the Kenyan military (in violation of a United Nations Security Council arms embargo), the SNF retook the Gedo region. In October 1992, the SNF captured the town of Bardera''

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/somalia/
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That was the infamous Somali civil war during the 91s. Those two organizations have written extensively about that infamous period.

Lets read it properly, and learn from the mistakes made. Instead of distorting history and not learning from it.




May allah have mercy on all the Somalis that died during those turbulent years.


This is my last post in this topic, which is getting out of control and is beginning to turn into a silly squabble, while overlooking the terrible consequences of the civil war.

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

Somaliweyn,

Everything you just said confirmed what I said. I'm fully aware Gedo was captured by USC forces, and I stated it was taken back. Anyway your right as I always mantained this stuff happened years and years ago and theres no benefit in bringing it up. I'm always focussed on today, thats why you see me discuss Marehan Jubba politics all day and rarely see me making MSB threads.