Macalin Aadan Cayrow: Taangiga maanta Xamar taagan berri wux

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

Awdal,

Its not a Marexaan group by any means.

I think your referring the the war strategy in Mogadishu. I agree 100%. Some of the strategy I don't like at all. Its smarter to LEAVE the city, go in the countryside and attack them at their bases, their militiary convoys in a guirella warfare type war etc.

[Shirib]

Awdal which Cayrow are you talking about. All the leaders of the Shabaab are fighting. Everyone of them. Always were and still are. Your accusations aren't matching up with the group we are discussing sxb.

[King-of-Awdal]

Shirib

If you honestly belive their war strategy is smart than u really havent paid attention to History. Answer This why only fight in Hamar. The city is miles away from the border and most supples come by convoys to the Tigree, So why not be smart and first cut off the supple and start bombing them while they are on their way and than trap em and finish em off by washing them into the Ocean. Throwing a small bomb among civilians and than ruinining and the ethopians going to answer by tanks aint smart but just shows the lack of intelligence of these people.

[Shirib]

I didn't ever say anything about their war strategy. Just about your wrong and weird accusations about the group being Hawiye and being fake fighters who sent kids to fight while they sit in a foreign country.

Figthing among civillians isn't the best. But you have to understand that an insurgency is the only way that will work becaus if they fight in baadiyo the AC 130 gunships will come. Remember Ras Kamboni.

They have been attacking the trucks that have been coming in from Baydhabo..

Other then Xamar most other places either are in TFG hands or Ethiopians aren't their like in juboyinka.

[King-of-Awdal]

Shirib

First of all i didnt accuse them of being fake or anything, i just said because Hawiya is the majority of people that live in that city they should unite and if they did that i honestly think it wouldnt take even a day to chase these homoz out, but they are a divided society. Secondly i could give rats ass if a 12 year old fought, i just dont like that fact that they are fighting among civilians because i hate the fact that i see pictures of mothers and children laying on the streets of the city, so i suggest they eitther ask the civilians to vacate the city or take their insurgency out of the city. i think thats fair. Again as u stated other cities are under the Tigree so why not fight also there, why the hell is people only dieing in this city and dont give me that its the capital crap cause Hamar is just like any other city. Why are u scared of AC130's you are fighting the Gaalo and Allah is on ur side and even if they outnumber us 100 to 1 we still can beat em.

[JaMaaL-23]

Not much is known about the very ellusive Ceyrow, so anything said about him by those who are outside his ring is pure speculation.

its said that he had taken part of the Afghan war which suggests that he is sincere about the Jihad. Having said that, he failed to come out of the closet to face Indhocade's injustices and malpractices in his hour of glory.

the Murursade Abu Cutayba who had much lesser influence in the maxaakim had confronted Indhacade more than Cayrow did, about putting and end to the Sh. Hoose injustices against its natives by Indhacade's mooryaan, and about the Jaad trade in the Sh. Hoose that went on for so long after official nationwide ban.

..............................................

the Ethio-US invasion of Somalia is a Religio/Political/Resource motivated.

US interestes in the Somali conflict are about:

1- fighting global terrorism - it seems Somalia is selected as the Horn's was on terror theatre.
2- controlling possible Oil resourses
3- gaining Strategic importance of Somalia waterways

Ethiopian interestes in the Somali conflict are about:

1- Weaker and devided Somalia is a prerequisite for effective control of the Ogaden region, and minimising the possibility of uprising from the Oromo and Somalis in Ethiopia.
2- Weaker and devided Somalia gives Ethiopia easy access to Somali ports which are needed by the imports of aid food to feed their starving ppl, and more importantly to Export oil and gas (oil and gas pipes via Somalia) found in the Ogaden region.

US and Ethiopia succeeded to destroy Somalia with the civil war in order to prepare it for their long term geopolitical interests.

Iraq can be used as a parable to the Somali plight, in the sense that it has been destroyed militarily with the Iran and gulf wars, and economically devastated with the UN sanctions to bring what was a proud nation to its knees and eventually taken over under the pretext of false intelligence reports of WMD

Its very sad, but the Ethiopians are here to stay for the foreseeable future, and unless Somalis but aside their trivial clanish pickering and form a united front to oust the invaders, I dont see how our beloved homeland can be liberated anytime soon.

[Shirib]

The people aren't gonna leave the city. That sounds like Mohamed Dhere.

Taking a superior military with American planes a little a bit away to baadiyo to fight isn't logical. Even in jihad no man wants to die they brace for it but when bullets are flying you don't wanna get hit.

Hawiye aren't united. Theirs a lot of mistrust, if they united victory would be easier.

Xamar is the capital if they loos there they lose eveywher. Thats where their military are, and where the Shabaab live.

Reread what you said they sounded like accusations.

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

Jamaal,

Great read. The weakening of Somalia happened over a very long period of time. The people of Xamar's ousture of the warloards was great but happened very, very late. By that time the plan of Eitho/US grand scheme was already at its final stages and it was too little too late.

[JaMaaL-23]

Luq,

bro the warlords were used to bring the Al-Itihad out of the closet, you might remember A/Yusuf has mentioned in a speech he made after he was elected, that there is a hidden power in Mogadisho more powerful than the Warlords. he was refering to the markamado when he said that.

Alitihad went underground after its sucessive defeats in Bari and Gedo, they built their suport base in Mog by converting powerful businessmen like the ceel macaan port owner to secure their financial assistance, and Carta politicians.

This strategy has enabled Al-itihad to re-invent and re-package their political agenda with Hawiye label to make them more appealing to the Hawiye masses.

They did the same in Bari (where their target customers were MJ) and in Gedo (where the target audiance was primarily MR)

this was working strategy untill they have quite premajurely linked it with the ONLF and OLF (Oromo) movements thus attracting the Ethiopian attention and in the process hastening their demise.

If the Al-itihad stayed local and dublicated its successfull Mog franchise to other regions, like Baay and Bakool, and Gobolada dhexe not Puntland and Gedo where their foodprints where still visible. they would have been successful.

[King-of-Awdal]

Shirib

I have no reason to accuse them of anything just cause am not bias towards any group doesnt mean am accusing them of something. At the end of the day they are all same to me i could care less about Al-Shabah ICU, TFG OR ASMARA GROUP for all i care they could call perish.

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

Jamaal,

Paitience is really a virtue. Whats the problem in waiting even 10 years if the outcome is going to be a viable, robust Somali State? People always rush, and the ICU rushed. I really believe that was the last chance for national peace and unity.