KOSOVO IS TO GAIN INDEPENDENCE,what about somalilands

[FAH1223]

[quote="The_Emperior5"][quote="AbdiWahab252"]Where in the SNM Constitution did it say that the SNM was fighting for Independence ?

No where.

The SNM fought for "protection of the unity of the people and land of Somalia”[/quote]


Wrong snm was fightin for isaaq only isaaq interest

and isaaaq interest later became somaliland

wanuu goosanayna baad dadku ku dhaggeen soo[/quote]

actually they said in their statement they were fighting for all of Somalia and were talking about taking Xamar

they changed their mind later when all the other rebel movements sprung up in Koonfur in which case Issaq focused on themselves

they didn't say just one day "hey lets make another country"

[Mr.Wise]

[quote="COSTA"]After next seventeen years you guys will still wait that recognition how about if you fix Qaldaan pu55y to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon just like your great grand fathers used to pimp for UK colonialists maybe that will help your cause [/quote]

the only thing needed to be pimped is your tiny Zaggy Tigre loving as

[The_Emperior5]

[quote="FAH1223"][quote="The_Emperior5"][quote="AbdiWahab252"]Where in the SNM Constitution did it say that the SNM was fighting for Independence ?

No where.

The SNM fought for "protection of the unity of the people and land of Somalia”[/quote]


Wrong snm was fightin for isaaq only isaaq interest

and isaaaq interest later became somaliland

wanuu goosanayna baad dadku ku dhaggeen soo[/quote]

actually they said in their statement they were fighting for all of Somalia and were talking about taking Xamar

they changed their mind later when all the other rebel movements sprung up in Koonfur in which case Issaq focused on themselves

they didn't say just one day "hey lets make another country"[/quote]


not another country my friend the country we fought for in the 18 centry

[FAH1223]

[quote="The_Emperior5"][quote="FAH1223"][quote="The_Emperior5"][quote="AbdiWahab252"]Where in the SNM Constitution did it say that the SNM was fighting for Independence ?

No where.

The SNM fought for "protection of the unity of the people and land of Somalia”[/quote]


Wrong snm was fightin for isaaq only isaaq interest

and isaaaq interest later became somaliland

wanuu goosanayna baad dadku ku dhaggeen soo[/quote]

actually they said in their statement they were fighting for all of Somalia and were talking about taking Xamar

they changed their mind later when all the other rebel movements sprung up in Koonfur in which case Issaq focused on themselves

they didn't say just one day "hey lets make another country"[/quote]


not another country my friend the country we fought for in the 18 centry[/quote]

THE agenda to create another Somali state wasnt at the top of the list

most of the extreme secessionists were silented in the 1960s

they didn't rise up until the massacres of Waqooyi in the late 80s and then the current Somaliland was formed

[The_Emperior5]

sxb there where no extreme secconist in the 1960

yaanu ka goossanaynee in 1960 gumeysiig ingreeska aya ka kacaye dalka

how could we be seccsoniste in 1960 wax la yaab leh

we just joined somalia to create somaliweyn tii way dhiici wayday
every one meeshiisi buu ku noqday

thats the deal

[Somalistan]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Somalistan,

The Union referendum was done all over Somalia in 1961.

The one region with the most number of NO votes against the Union of British and Italian Somaliland was my awowe's region of Hiiraan.

Hiiraan voted 60% against the Union of North and South and had more votes against it than any Northern province.[/quote]

But this is different though. When we were uniting, we both wanted union, so since both regions were willing, then the percentage of those who wanted the notion of union to go ahead were tested, the majority voted for union.

In this case, since seccesion is regarding somalilanders, they would be given referendum and of how many of Somalilanders want to 'stay' and how many want to 'secede'..the majority's voice will then be heard.

Example: in jabuuti in '77 when they gained independence, they were given the referendum of whether or not they wanted to join the other pieces of somaliwayne (somaliland and somalia), they said no. They chose their own way, and none were questioned by other somalis.

In this case the only reason it would be easier for somalia to have government while referendum is taken from somaliland is simply for the legality of it all. It would be better if both government were present when the referendum is done, but its' not to say that referendum would be taken from Somalia itself. That is just redicolous.

Example: Quebec wants to be a seperate french region from the rest of Canada. They have been given numerous referendum from WITHIN Quebec province itself, the votes always go for the union within those living in Quebec. However it would make no sense to say let us test the whole canada and see how they fair, offcourse they would vote against such. Thus Somaliland would be the only one given referendum since they are the ones in which it seccesion concerns.


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Pr.#2.

About SNM NOT fighting for SL independence.

Actually you are right SNM didn't start its struggle to seperate Somaliland from Somalia, it was soley based on war against an oppressive regime. But when they won the war, they planned to cooperate with the USC and Aydiid to form a country,however the USC as you are very aware of didn't cooprate with SNM, they declared government of Somalia in the absences of SNM. That is what led the SNM to bring back the Somaliland and declare its independence.

Besides, it was the SNM itself which declared indepenedence. The chairman of the SNM Abdirahman Tur was chosen as President and currently Siilaanyo being a member of the SNM previously has a chance of leading Somaliland. So either way you turn it, the SNM did have everything to do with the seccesion of Somaliland,though that is not what they fought for to begin with.

[FAH1223]

[quote="The_Emperior5"]sxb there where no extreme secconist in the 1960

yaanu ka goossanaynee in 1960 gumeysiig ingreeska aya ka kacaye dalka

how could we be seccsoniste in 1960 wax la yaab leh

we just joined somalia to create somaliweyn tii way dhiici wayday
every one meeshiisi buu ku noqday

thats the deal[/quote]


actually in 1961, wasn't there people who didn't want to stay in the union?>

im pretty sure there were extreme elements back then

and Somalistan, adeer you are 100%

[Somalistan]

[quote="smooth"]"Whilst Somaliland faced similar problems under the military regime"



So I gather from this that you believe you were the only people that suffered under the oppressive regime?

Like AW has said many times, Afweyne's oppression against the reer-mudug's started well before those planes headed to Hargaysa, you don't see us wailing in lamentation and lobbying for independance.

What happend in mudug and Mog were un-provoked savagery attacks, wadaads and sheikhs were rounded up on a daily basis for a entire decade, the SNM actions however were stupid, provacative and deserved retaliation, stop crying about an oppression that you have invited[/quote]

who is doing the crying?

I am well and still kickin baby, those who commited evil acts against my people have already been dealt with.

waxaan gaystay waan ogahay wixii laygaystayna waan ogahay mana ciil qabo maanta Alxamdulilahi bil Somaliland. Allaha wadankaygii nabad kadhigay ayaa amaan leh.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

there's two big different between kosovo and so called somaliland.

first kosovo do not call itselfs SERBI-LAND

second isaaqlands republic'sname its same country they do not wish to be part of it SOMALI+A and SOMALI+LAND , this 2 names its very hard to see any different between it.


HOW SO CALLED SOMALILAND CAN GET RECOGNITION?
FIRST try to come whit your own name loos magaca SOOMAALI.

KOSOVO hadii ay la bixi laheeyd SERBI-LAND ayaa nala yiraahdaa waxaan rabnaa inaan SERBIA ka goosano ka waran? wax macquul ah miyaa?

waa sidaas oo kale SOMALIland AYAA NALA YIRAAHDAA SOMALIA waa ka goosaneynaa.

[smooth]

Somalistan

I don't oppose your people's secessionist adventures neither do I hold any qualm with you Ajanabi's, i just dislike when you come up with these horrendous justifications for seceding i.e. "genocide" "oppression"