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The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby kambuli » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:02 am

Dangirl, quote " Fah;permissible, but discouraged."


Thanks thanks thanks Laughing Laughing Laughing Can't sa better walaahay..

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby FAH1223 » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:06 am

[quote="TheBigBosS"]its encouraged cuz there more women the men[/quote]

Not totally there yet, long way to go

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby DANGIRL » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:25 am

[quote="kambuli"]
The other important argument here is why Somali men all love this Aaya that allows them to marry more than one wive and not love all the other Aayas that talk about their responsibility as a husband and a father? Why don't they let their wives stay home and be the sole bread winners? Why they don't help with house chores? Are they better than our Prophet CSWS? Who washed the clothes for his wives?

Give me a break and stop the double standard waaryaadha...[/quote]

loool,It's no laughing matter, but wallahi that's so true. up

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby Gedo_Boy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:21 pm

kambuli,

If I had 2 wives and I provided for them and was just, would you judge me negatively?

I wouldn't marry 2 wives unless I could be the sole breadwinner for both and Insha'Allah I would ask Allah to help me with being just.
As for helping with house chores, I would help where I can.

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby Gedo_Boy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:54 pm

I don't want to sound hostile, but hadaan 2 guursado oo aan si xalaal u qabo, why the hell would I care what any other women think?

There are SO MANY good women who could accept being a 2nd wife, and for all the other women who can't ayakee u taalaa their own decisions in life, just like my decisions are my own. I wish them the best.

With all due respect, if you're not the 2 women I would be married to, then it really doesn't matter what you think.......Ilaahey ayaa laga baqaa, if what I'm doing is not xaraam then I don't feel guilty about it.

waxaa ii daran waxaa Ilaahey agtiis ka daran......so if I avoid being a zani, faasiq, munafiq then taas ayaa ii daran.

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby kambuli » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:03 pm

Gedo,

Brother you are wrong walaahay...Don't use the religion as an excuse for your own greed of women.. (sorry to use this rude word).... Why are you even thinking of marrying a second wife? Yaa Ilaahay yaqaan... Ilaahay SWT goorma ayuu kugu khasbay inaad laba naagood guursato? This scares me walaahay....

Intaad habeenba guri u guureyneysid ee aad cudurada u kala qaadaysid haweenka maad mid ku ekaatid? Anagaa yaab aragnay! Waxan iyo fekerkani Somaali uun bay ku hadhay iyo waxoogaa Afgan ah(Talibanka)...

Joogso wiilow oo cago dhigo, oo gabadh Somaaliyeed qalbiga haka dilin... No matter what they say, no Somali women is ok to be shared with her husband... Shocked

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby Gedo_Boy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:07 pm

"aad cudurada u kala qaadaysid haweenka maad mid ku ekaatid?"
Shocked Shocked wow....what do you mean?


"Don't use the religion as an excuse for your own greed of women.."

waayahay bal adiga ii sheeg when it's OK to marry another women iyo gormee 'excuse' tahay.....intaas ayaan kaaga rabaa.

You are looking at it like inaan gabdho rabo inaan ku ciyaaro and I am looking at it like 2 haween islaameed aan asturaaayo oo an caruur ilaahey igu badinaayo.

this is shahwa rag aad garan karin marka I can't expect you to understand.

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby kambuli » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:34 pm

Gedo,

1. If one of the wives get sick...Like infection etc aren't you carrying it to the other poor women? Sad

2. Sure and true I know little about Shahwa and men, as I am a female... But we do understand a lot....As women has more shahwa than men...But they are able to control it..Why can't you guys control it in the first question...

3. Why are you thinking of marrying two wives when you even don't have the first one(assuming that you are single)? This is scary...

4. Let me give you the women's prespective.... You will do a favour for girls when you promote one wife one husband....

5. The only time I think( and I am not even sure of this one) I will let my husband to marry another wife is if I could not give birth to children..and he is able...If he really wants children so much, I would let him....But there is no other excuse...

Even this excuse, men don't let girls to seek another husband if he is unable to have children...Keep that in mind..

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby HELWAA » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:55 pm

Gedo

You have to realize you only have one heart...you cant love two women at the same time ...Sidaad labo naagood isku si ola dhaqmi...be fair in everthing how much time you will spend with them....give them the same presents...treat them equally.....it's a big responsibility walaal laakin hadi aad masuuliyada ka bixi kartid good luck walaal.Personally i rather liv alone in a cave then share my husband with onther women.I'm very jealous person i could never handel that marka i would let him go.

ps- You are young and never been married maxaad ku falaysa a second hand halimo(not that is somthing wrong with them) laakin isn't better with someone who never been married... Confused

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby Gedo_Boy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:04 pm

kambuli,

I am single now but not for long insha'Allah......I already asked gabadha about it and she said: "gabdhaha wax asturo ayee waysanyihiin.....waan maseeri lahaa but as long as I'm the 1st sidaan ajarka kula wadaago"

"Even this excuse, men don't let girls to seek another husband if he is unable to have children...Keep that in mind.."

Yes, but the women can ask for a divorce and marry a man who can have children.

Anyways kambuli, do you think it's better for some women not to be married and have NO husband than for a man to have 2 wives?

Also, shahwada naagta kama badno ninka shawadiis at least as far as sex goes....ninka shahwadiis is almost all phsyical and the women's is so mixed......emotional, phsyical, psychological....etc.

there are even some women who blackmail their husbands....when they are mad at them or want something they don't even give them sex....taas walaahi waa 'An Act of War' .......that would be 1 case when I would marry 2nd wife........waa khatar cadiim taas.

HELWAA,

garoob waxaan ka waday for 2nd wife b/c I would already be married by then.

2nd hand waa gabar si xaraan lagu soo isticmaalay.....if she is good but was divorced or widowed, I don't see problem with it.

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby DANGIRL » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:24 pm

Gedo_Boy,

Living in a world where people are so busy, finding the time to take proper care of one spouse and the kids is becoming very difficult, now imagine all this stress with several spouses and even more children? You should know what you're getting yourself into before you you even decide to get a second wife.Because the truth of th matter is;most women are not so keen on that idea.Women are too possessive to share their husbands with another women.Those that allow such thing are fools.Personally,If my husband were to come home and tell me that he wants a second wife,then I would wish him luck, and then proceed to throw his shit out.

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby Gedo_Boy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:30 pm

DANGIRL,

Those are all valid and sensible points and I don't disagree with you there. I agree polygamy is the exception not the rule, but I have a problem with women who try to pretend it's immoral, disgusting, or xaraam.

I guess it's the women's right to ask for a divorce if she doesn't like it or even specify before they are married that you will grant a divorce if you get married again.

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby Gedo_Boy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:34 pm

I have seen a lot of women give a good husband hell, but if he doesn't divorce them but he gets a 2nd wife all of a sudden waxaad arkeeysaa ayadoo edeb soo yeelatay oo ninkeeda ka dambeyso.

kuwa qaarkood even start behaving on the news that the husband is thinking of a 2nd wife.

waa dabci dumarkood ee maxaa ka qabanaa???


Let's just say that if I get a girl who makes my life heaven on earth, I would avoid hurting her feelings and make the extra effort to only have her & I will forget about a 2nd wife it would really hurt her feelings.

If she's a Drama Queen then I know how to make her behave Cool

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby +chilli » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:49 pm

---Gedo, saalam, adiga is dhaga tirya more then me walal, your heroic notion I’v already approached twice, first advo mentioned and I said lets watch and see how China act in there population issue. I can’t make a judgment on that or say that it is a valid reason for polygamy (what if it was the other way around, as it is with China), there are no reasons in the Source, just a condition ‘just’ and the context. That’s all I wanted to mention before you jump the wagon and claim it’s a right; and claiming a rational behind it.
So its predicted that men will outnumber women to a great extent…you think that polygamy is an answer; ok fair enough, I have a problem when you use it as justification for men to satisfy their thirst. That’s all.

I acknowledge that there will be situations that demand a change of marriage structure. But I must stress that it’s a gift for very special occasions, Allah (SA) discourages it, so its not a practise to be proud of. Let me give the example of divorce, its hated by Allah but at times it’s a blessing, so we should avoid it at all cost, unless the situation demands it.
I brought up the female promiscuity as an example that this society is sick and its not just men that are cable of infidelity, so therefore to say men should be allowed more then one wife because it makes their promiscuity ‘halal’ (since its there nature??), that is mistreatment and abuse of polygamy. If that was the case then why not allow women to practise it after all they’d be just and satisfied right?
Instead of advocating polygamy as an answer to men’s promiscuity and level of desire, you should be arguing for the opposite, teach them to fast and learn to discipline themselves. They should draw closer to Allah and fear the hereafter rather then preoccupying their time and space on chasing their ego.

‘Also, you haven't addressed the different requirements in a relationship between a man and a woman. The needs in a relationship for a man are more base or physical whereas the needs for a woman are physical to a lesser extent, and more emotional & psychological.’

What exactly do you mean by this sentence? So? Btw this is open to discussion but lets assume you position, how does polygamy come into it? Are you degrading a wife’s position, saying she can’t please her husband in all matters and therefore he needs to look else where? If this is where this conversation is going, I suggest you think really careful from now on Very Happy , your desire orientated argument was bad enough imkanaa waa the wife’s fault?

Yes it’s a khar that it produces large families, but do we really need that today, I mean come on the world is already over populated and plus there so many orphans, go practise that sunnah of the Prophet and adopt. Have you ever considered the psychological effects it has on women, especially in today’s context where individuality and love relationships is emphasised? (I am thinking of basing my research on this ).
Have you ever considered how it degrades women and makes them feel replaceable object, or someone who can’t please her husband?
Have you seen the way culture abuses it? Especially cultures that already believe men are superior?
Have you seen the amount of men that that marry young girls, ones they could easily father? Whats the effect of that on his children around the same age?
The list is endless, I’v even heard that some men use it as competitive tool, set the wives against each other in pleasing him…. Confused

Example: 'If she's a Drama Queen then I know how to make her behave'...lol

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Re: The Plight of Garoobs...The Evil of Women

Postby gurey25 » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:05 pm

oh boy

gedoboy what have you gotten yourself into?

Laughing

im sorry to say this but , i believe monogamy is the ideal
one woman is more than a handfull how would you deal with 2 or more?


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