Debate: Concept of Ogadenia

[FAH1223]

[quote="The_Patriot"]fah did you read the link i provided?
it is all u need.[/quote]

man sum it up, i aint readin that

and Luq, there are clans that have more ties with Ethiopia than the ONLF

its a problem all around w/ Somalis

thats why we'll never have unity

[The_Patriot]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]I can understand people not supporting the ONLF because of qabil tensions. But lets at least draw the line at supporting Tigray against them, just like its wrong to use Tigray in Xamar.[/quote]
who cares if people want to leave under servitude.
the link i gave is a bombshell.

[Gedo_Boy]

Somaliweyn,

In all fairness it was named Ogadenia way back since the British were there so it's not exactly the Ogaden tribe monopolizing the name.....it just so happened that it was the known name of the region at the time. It's not like how the Saud family renamed Hijaz & Najd Arabia to Saudi Arabia. If anything, Somalis are only guilty of perpetuating that name and nobody felt it important enough to correct it as there were always bigger priorities for Somalis at every period.

Having said that, the concept of regional-based enclave such as Ogadenia actually plays into the hands of Ethiopia. It works into the hands of divide 'n conquer.

It makes sense for the local people of the region to organize themselves so it appears as a grass-roots movement but only limiting it to 1 qabiil entity at the exclusion of others in my opinion allows Ethiopia to undermine the operation.

The main problem w/ the WSLF situation is that it was framed in the context of 2 nations fighting with 1 nation appearing to have invaded another nation. I think the sense of unity was strong then and all Somalis had a stake but it was important to see how it appeared outside of the Horn.

So, overall I think it would be more important for ONLF to incorporate as many tribes that live in that region than to 'go it alone' and then risk being undermined by other marginalized groups. Even if ONLF were to get independence or regional autonomy, Somali history has shown that post-conflict a peace is never planned for.

Just like how the TPLF & Shacbiya actually had a post-Mengistu game plan and were far more organized. Somalis never plan past the conflict and are always stuck in a 'Now What' scenario.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

war soomaalida waa BAHALO. walaahi hadda haddii ay ethiopianka isaga tagaan DHULKA SOOMALI GALBEED. oo ay ethiopianka yiraahdaan waa ka soomaliyeey xur ayaad tihiin.

walaahi soomalida qabiil qabiil ayey isku cunaayaan. ciyaalka caloosha ka dooxayaan,naagaha waa iska kufsanaayaan. dagaaladana waxay u dhacayaan sidan soo socoto.

first OGAADEEN vs SOOMALIDA KALE

SIDA ogaadeen vs sheekhaal

second ogaadeen vs isaak

third round OGAADEEN VS ciise.

4 roud ciise vs gurgure

5 ogaadeen vs ogaadeen

6 AFTER 15 YEARS soomalida dhulkaa ku dhaqan waxay dhahayaan((

(( ilaahoow axmaaaradii noo soo celi. war ma xasuusataan waqtigii BARRI SAMAADKII ethiopia aan ku hoos nooleeyn. DAWLAD yaan aheeyn BAASABOOR ayan heeysaney ALLA BAL barigaas yaaa inoo sii diga.

bari samaadkii. oohin..

MARKA waxaan kula talin lahaa SOOMALIDA DEGGAN SOOMALI GALBEED INAY la dagaaalamaan ururka qabiiliga ah ee ONLF.

DAWLADNIMO WAX KA FIICAN MA LEH.

SOOMALI NIGGERS isma maamuli karaan. haku cibrad qaataaan waxuushta deggan somalia 17 sano dawlad la,aanta.


somali galbeed waa part of ethiopia sidaasaana u fiican oo nolol ugu jirtaaa.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]Somaliweyn,

In all fairness it was named Ogadenia way back since the British were there so it's not exactly the Ogaden tribe monopolizing the name.....it just so happened that it was the known name of the region at the time. It's not like how the Saud family renamed Hijaz & Najd Arabia to Saudi Arabia. If anything, Somalis are only guilty of perpetuating that name and nobody felt it important enough to correct it as there were always bigger priorities for Somalis at every period.

Having said that, the concept of regional-based enclave such as Ogadenia actually plays into the hands of Ethiopia. It works into the hands of divide 'n conquer.

It makes sense for the local people of the region to organize themselves so it appears as a grass-roots movement but only limiting it to 1 qabiil entity at the exclusion of others in my opinion allows Ethiopia to undermine the operation.

The main problem w/ the WSLF situation is that it was framed in the context of 2 nations fighting with 1 nation appearing to have invaded another nation. I think the sense of unity was strong then and all Somalis had a stake but it was important to see how it appeared outside of the Horn.

So, overall I think it would be more important for ONLF to incorporate as many tribes that live in that region than to 'go it alone' and then risk being undermined by other marginalized groups. Even if ONLF were to get independence or regional autonomy, Somali history has shown that post-conflict a peace is never planned for.

Just like how the TPLF & Shacbiya actually had a post-Mengistu game plan and were far more organized. Somalis never plan past the conflict and are always stuck in a 'Now What' scenario.[/quote]

ogaadenia is not a name of a country , its qabiil name.. waryaa other somalis who are majorty of kilil 5 will never except a QABIIL name. they are not ogaadeen ,they somalis whit their own qabiil name.

magaca INGRIIS ayaa bixiyey ku lahaaa. ahahahaha ingriiis gaaal futo cad hadiii odayaal dabadhilif u ahaa ogaadeen u tageen offcourse si uu soomalida isugu jabiyo qeeybi oo xukun wuu i bixinayaa magac qabiil OGAADEEN-YA taas wax lagu dooodo maaha.

[Unclebin-]

[quote="DR-YALAXOOW"][quote="Gedo_Boy"]Somaliweyn,

In all fairness it was named Ogadenia way back since the British were there so it's not exactly the Ogaden tribe monopolizing the name.....it just so happened that it was the known name of the region at the time. It's not like how the Saud family renamed Hijaz & Najd Arabia to Saudi Arabia. If anything, Somalis are only guilty of perpetuating that name and nobody felt it important enough to correct it as there were always bigger priorities for Somalis at every period.

Having said that, the concept of regional-based enclave such as Ogadenia actually plays into the hands of Ethiopia. It works into the hands of divide 'n conquer.

It makes sense for the local people of the region to organize themselves so it appears as a grass-roots movement but only limiting it to 1 qabiil entity at the exclusion of others in my opinion allows Ethiopia to undermine the operation.

The main problem w/ the WSLF situation is that it was framed in the context of 2 nations fighting with 1 nation appearing to have invaded another nation. I think the sense of unity was strong then and all Somalis had a stake but it was important to see how it appeared outside of the Horn.

So, overall I think it would be more important for ONLF to incorporate as many tribes that live in that region than to 'go it alone' and then risk being undermined by other marginalized groups. Even if ONLF were to get independence or regional autonomy, Somali history has shown that post-conflict a peace is never planned for.

Just like how the TPLF & Shacbiya actually had a post-Mengistu game plan and were far more organized. Somalis never plan past the conflict and are always stuck in a 'Now What' scenario.[/quote]

ogaadenia is not a name of a country , its qabiil name.. waryaa other somalis who are majorty of kilil 5 will never except a QABIIL name. they are not ogaadeen ,they somalis whit their own qabiil name.

magaca INGRIIS ayaa bixiyey ku lahaaa. ahahahaha ingriiis gaaal futo cad hadiii odayaal dabadhilif u ahaa ogaadeen u tageen offcourse si uu soomalida isugu jabiyo qeeybi oo xukun wuu i bixinayaa magac qabiil OGAADEEN-YA taas wax lagu dooodo maaha.[/quote]


Ogaden are the majority... If not there Absame and kablalax brothers push them way over the hump if not then there other darood cousins..............

[The_Patriot]

horta abgaal think every one is xolo like them

[DR-YALAXOOW]

ogaadeen waa minorty.

caasimada somalida jigjiga oo kale meesha ugu weeyn maba degana ogaadeen.
magaalada waxaa majortyah jaarso sheekhal isaak gurgure iyo somali kale off course xoogaa ogadeen ah.

diridhabe ciise city and oromo

somali galbeed qabiil soomali aan degin ma leh. nimankaaas caana booraha futada ka gashey ma waalan yihiin markeey dhul soomaliyeed qabiilkoooda masaakiin iska ah sheekhaal karbaashtey rabaan inay magacooda ku magacaabaan .. waa wax lagu qoslo runtii

[The_Patriot]

[quote="DR-YALAXOOW"]ogaadeen waa minorty.

caasimada somalida jigjiga oo kale meesha ugu weeyn maba degana ogaadeen.
magaalada waxaa majortyah jaarso sheekhal isaak gurgure iyo somali kale off course xoogaa ogadeen ah.

diridhabe ciise city and oromo

somali galbeed qabiil soomali aan degin ma leh. nimankaaas caana booraha futada ka gashey ma waalan yihiin markeey dhul soomaliyeed qabiilkoooda masaakiin iska ah sheekhaal karbaashtey rabaan inay magacooda ku magacaabaan .. waa wax lagu qoslo runtii[/quote]

axmaq yahow muqidhisho baadh burburseen
ma dameer oo mufoo kadargey baadh ogaden umaleysa?

[kadarre]

maya mid caano boore ka dargay

[The_Patriot]

[quote="kadarre"]maya mid caano boore ka dargay[/quote]
waa kukaley miyaa oo mufuu iyo macsaro kadargey
ninyahow dusadha naga fogey uffffffffffffffffffff.

[Gedo_Boy]

"magaca INGRIIS ayaa bixiyey ku lahaaa. ahahahaha ingriiis gaaal futo cad hadiii odayaal dabadhilif u ahaa ogaadeen u tageen offcourse si uu soomalida isugu jabiyo qeeybi oo xukun wuu i bixinayaa magac qabiil OGAADEEN-YA taas wax lagu dooodo maaha"


YALAXOW,

waxba ha iswaalin ee waxaa kala saarta Fact iyo Dhabadilifnimo....

Ogaden waa magac hore meesha la u yaqaane sabab waqtigaas Somalida magac kala uma hayn Ogadenia ee waa magac ee Ingriiska bilooween waana la iska waday magacaas.....

magaca gobolkaas waa laga darnaa ee priority weyn ma aheyn inee badalaan.....the same reason hadda magaca Mogadiscio wili waala isticmaala....ma Somali aa soo aliftay magacaas?

iminkaan yaa yiraahdo "magaca Mogadiscio Somali ma soo alifin ee hala joojiyo sabab dabadhilifnimo waaye haddii magacaas la isticmaalo"

magac waa laga daranyahay ee magacaas hadii la isticmaalo ma ahan because Ogaden aa lobby soo sameeyay oo ka codsaday INgriiska.

[Unclebin-]

Who told you Jijiga is Guruguure and all this shit? Abuskuul and Geri Koombe run that bit.ch.... Diredawa is majority oromo today because all Ciise were mostly expulled and anyhow the whole of Diredawa is 250k people.... Shehkaal are langaab and are burning in Raafo Village LOOOOL

The population of Somali Galbeed is as follows... Rough 5 million people....



Jijiga has an estimated total population of 1,034,823
Liben has an estimated total population of 594,761
Afder has an estimated total population of 444,633
Fiq has an estimated total population of 290,694
Deghabur has an estimated total population of 387,428,
Werder has an estimated total population of 401,993,
shinile has an estimated total population of 452,112
Korahe has an estimated total population of 305,266
Gode has an estimated total population of 418,291,


Gode, Korahe, Afder, Werder, Degabuhuur, Fiq are allmost exclusively Ogaden......

THE COLONIALIST GAVE THE NAME OGADENIA TO SOMALI GALBEED.... They must have saw something.... They were referring to clans like Habar Yoonis, Marehan, Majerteen, habar jeclo, Dhulbahante, Ciise, hawadle, Geri, Bartire, Habar Awal, Gadabuursi etc by there clan names...... While Ogaden were referred to as Reer ali Reer Haruun etc.... Sub sub sub clans of maxamed Zubeyr LOOOOL

Shiinle Is were you'll find Dir and

[kadarre]

Colonialist era is long ago we are in 2008. For the unity of the Somali people the region should be named Somali Galbeed. Why does it have to be Ogaden??? I mean Majeerteniya is called Puntland now.

[Unclebin-]

^Majerteeniya can be changed to Majerteeniya if it wants.... Majority rule... Minority have rights.