AYMAN AL ZAWAHIRI DISCUSSES SOMALIA

[American Salafi]

Biko

Afwaan. My mistake. I didn't know that you where talking about western terms. but Al-hamdulilah that you understand that suicide, period, is haram.

[Murax]

Ican,

These guys propaganda has reached everywhere as they have good funding. In addition they've really infiltrated Somalia as it was a perfect breading ground for them. Luckilly for us we always had guys like Cumar Faruuq, Sh Shareef Cabdinur etc. xaafadahumulah to keep us in line but they still did influence many of us, and Ceeryow who is not a qabilist by any stretch was unfortunately one of these guys who was influenced with their disasterous ideology.

[Voltage]

[quote="Murax"]Voltage,

People like this guy are what you call 'takfiris'. In their idealogy every single person living in the West is a kaffir. They can drop a bomb in Seattle and if some Muslims die they'll say 'there kaffirs because there living in a Western land'.


Sxb research khawaarij in the seerah as they were even there in the Prophet's SAW time. They were quiet and underwraps under the Prophet SAW, Abu Bakr RAW, Cumar RAW but once those three passed they wreaked havoc in the Muslim community.[/quote]

I just did and I found out that Khaarijites were the group that abstained from the FIRST FITNAH, when Mu'aawiya camp and Ali camp met for battle. Muslim blood was being spilt by Muslim and they abstained. Why should you hate them, I really think they are right after reading about them.

THe prophet said there will be 73 divisions and only 1 will be right, I have every right to believe despite what humans believe this group might be the rightful one.

There was a man who was the best among Muslims and did everything but while in battle, the prophet (Scw) said "if anyone wants to see an ehlu naar walking on land, look at this man", everybody's jaws dropped because they did not expect such a thing, turns out the guy gets injured in that battle, and after ards impales himself with a spear to finish off his pain, thereby committing suicide.

The final judgment lies with Allah and what you blv might have always been he right path may not necessarily be.

[new-york23]

allahs word is above all.those who bleive you can inherit islam becouse you was born into a so called islamic nation are rong.i have reason to bleive that as somalis we are muslims by origin and word of mouth instead of hard work and faith in the word of allah.by allah we somalis worship our ancesterors without knowing it.honesty is the best policy.

the word of allah in its purest form,take it or make excuses and leave it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjGhbBFyHMg&NR=1

[Murax]

Voltage, where did you go to research this sxb?

The Muslims who didn't fight on Mu'awaiyah (RAW) or Ali (RAW) were some of the righteous ones. In hindsight we do know that Cali RAW was actually right because one time the Prophet SAW told Cammar Bin Yaseer 'You will be killed by the transgressing side' and Ammar Bin Yasser RAW died fighting on Cali's side.

Sxb the Khawaarij I was talking about were the Khawaarij that came to that came to the Prophet SAW and said "Be Just" , or the Khwaarij that killed the pregnant daughter in law of Ammar Bin Yasser by mutiliating her stomach, in addition to also killing Ammar's son who was with her, or the ones who killed Cuthman RAW or the ones who killed Cali. Those were the Khawaarij I was talking about sxb who ruined the 1st Islamic State.

[Voltage]

Murax, I just research, checked various sources and they corroborated. The "khawaarij" are the people who labeled the first inter-Muslim war as FITNAH and did not participate.

I will need to continue reading this and make up my own mind later but I will not disqualify anyone because according to the prophet out of 73 divisions will be the people of paradise and if were smart we would not label ourselves anything but continue looking for the right path.

[American Salafi]

Voltage

What you just wrote shows your ignorance. First of all, the khawarij are dogs of hell-fire. the prophet said that the khawarij leave the religion as an arrow goes throught its target. Also the prophet said they are dogs of Hell-fire. So to say that they are good is just wack. So inshallah akhi learn the religion. Jazahallah

[Voltage]

[quote="American Salafi"]Voltage

What you just wrote shows your ignorance. First of all, the khawarij are dogs of hell-fire. the prophet said that the khawarij leave the religion as an arrow goes throught its target. Also the prophet said they are dogs of Hell-fire. So to say that they are good is just wack. So inshallah akhi learn the religion. Jazahallah[/quote]


Bring your daliil.

[American Salafi]

Voltage

What do you mean "continue looking for the right path"

The right path is clear as the day. Its not something we have to search for akhi. The prophet said,

"I have left you upon clear proof , its night is like its day, no one deviates from it except one who is destroyed."

[King-of-Awdal]

We are loosing Voltage now am starting to prefer the other dude, what the heck ur becoming inch by inch a radical.

[Voltage]

American Salafi, I you called professing Muslims "dogs" and I want to see the daliil that corroborates your designation otherwise you will have lost credibility in my eyes as nothing more than a shaydaan-led individual who wants to cause fitnah.


KA, when it comes to the diin, watch your joking. What is a radical? Anyone who prays 5 times a day?

[Voltage]

And he ran away, dadkaasoo kalaa nagu dhex jiro. For all I know he was a jaajuus

[American Salafi]

Narrated By Ahmad 4/355 & 4/382-383, Ibn Majah 173, authenticated by Al-bani

[American Salafi]

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar:

That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation---- he did not say: From this nation ---- a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Quran, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)." Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 65:

[Voltage]

Thanx for providing this Hadiith but this Hadiith speaks of a group no one doubts, which would make the Khawaarij looked upto by all Muslims contradicting the fact you and Murax seem to have negative opinions of them and doubt them.

I will take this hadiith up with various imams to judge the consensus on it.