How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

[Ican]

Koronto

According to your thoughts, we should continually rebel until nothing is left of the country. This is what's wrong with the muslim world today and here you are spreading it to young people on the net.

Even in American when bush clearly rigged the elections, Americans accepted it because they know their system works and he would be replaced sooner or later.

Shariah will never work in Somalia and the ICU was proof of that when they let criminal like indhocadde into their midst. I'll take democracy over shariah because I have confidence in democracy working and being fair even though it's not perfect.

[GENERAL_SNM]

I guess we somalis dont have the luxury of being ruled by muslims since our leader is the christian Meles Zenew

[Koronto91]

Ican,

You only support A/Yusuf because he's your clansman, if he was Habargidir; you'd be among the first to call for his toppling.

[American Salafi]

Bismillah

I see that koronto is still playing the same game. You can tell the difference between a Jahiil and a non-Jahiil. I showed him many Daleels from the hadiths and the statements of the salaf and The Ulama. He only responds with insults. Relax take a deep breath and stop giving me your opinions and start showing me the Daleels.

I praise Allah that he showed me the Haqq because I use to have the same mentality like Koronto and Unclebin. I use to have Bin Laden screensavers. Lol.
But Alhamdulilah, i read the fatwas of the Ulama , who Koronto respects and at the same time insults, they showed me the evidences from the book of Allah and sunnah of the messenger and the understanding of the salaf that going against the ruler is not permitted only with clear proof of Kuffar. It was hard for me to understand why these crazy government and rulers where not allowed to be over-thrown. I was confused because I was following my opinion based on my small amount of knowledge I had. but the prophet said in an authentic hadith that he left us on a clear path which its day is like its night, meaning very clear, and only a person that is destroyed leaves this path.

Our religion is clear and straight forward and only a person that is ignorant will not see its clearness. So i advise you brothers and sisters to learn why the Ulama have said that Going against the ruler is haraam. Research and read the fatwas and rulings of the scholars and don't follow your Hawa(desires).

[American Salafi]

Koronto

You assume that Ican supports Abdullahi Yusuf because he is from the same clan as him but your theory is wrong because I am Habar Gidir. So that doesn't prove nothing. But what you can assume is that the Haqq isn't followed by only a particular people but everyone from different backgrounds. So keep your Qabilist mindset to yourself.

[Koronto91]

Yaa Jadiidi,

Here are the 3 conditions for a Muslim leader that can not be rebelled against:

-A Muslim leader who rules a Muslim land by Shar'iah.
-A Muslim leader who was elected through a council of pious Muslims (Shura).
-A Muslim leader who came to power through force, but still rules the land by way of Shari'ah.

Does A/Y fit under any of the 3? What about the verse in the Qur'an that says any leader who rules by anything that isn't Shar'iah has disbelieved, how can you throw that out and cling on to a misquoted hadith?

[American Salafi]

First of all, ruling by the shari'ah. I already posted you statements from the Ulama like Ibn Baaz, Albani, Ibn Qayyim and more concerning ruling other than the shari'ah. Before you keep talking about your non-sense, read the statements of the scholars and then reply.

Here is Sheikh Ibn Baaz:

http://spubs.com/sps/

Sheikh Albani: http://spubs.com/sps/

SHeikh Ibn Qayyim: http://spubs.com/sps/

Here are other scholars of the past talking about the verse: http://spubs.com/sps/

[American Salafi]

Who controls the Government in Mogadishu? Th Islamic Courts? I thought the Islamic Courts were chilling in Asmara.

[Koronto91]

Here is a verse:

[. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.]

[. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allaah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)] [aayah 45]

So, is A/Yusuf ruling using Shari'ah?

Refute the verse, I want you to try it!

[Ican]

American Salafi

Our brother Koronto has been severely brainwashed, he's stuck in qabil hatred and that's what is stopping him from seeing the truth.


Koronto


Nuur cadde is abgaal, and he's the leader of the government as well. There goes your theory.

Digil & mirifle are represent in the government, minority qabils are represented and all the big tribes are represented in the TFG. Look at xamar today, why is it some places in xamar are peaceful and people are carefree with women police walking around?

Why is it American salafi, who's habargidir, is able to follow the path set by the prophet while you're stuck in qabil mentality?

[Koronto91]

Ican,

We both know the truth, sxb! Your support for the TFG is solely, because A/Yusuf is your clansman, don't gimme all that other B.S. Name 3 institutions the TFG have re-opened, staffed and are running? Name 3 things the TFG have done since their arrival in Mogadishu? Have they restored law & order? Have they elected a committee to return looted properties? Have they cleared the city from the numerous isbaarooyin? Have they used any of the international donor funds to help the thousands they have displaced from their homes? What have they done? Why do you support them?

[American Salafi]

Ibn Abbas said concerning the verse saying: This is not like the one who disbeliefs in Allah but it is the minor Kufr (kufr dona kufr).

Sheikh Ibn Baaz said that if a rulers believeing that the secular laws are better than the shari'ah then he is a kaffir but if he does it for other reasons than it is Kufr dona kufr which the companion Ibn Abbas reported.

So Koronto learn the religion and take your self out of ignorance and read the statements of the salaf and the scholars.

[Koronto91]

Jadiidi,

Sh. Ibn Baaz said in his Fataawa 1/274:

The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed that whoever supports the kaafirs against the Muslims and helps them in any way is a kaafir like the Qur'an says.

[PINK_BUNNY]

Isn't A/Y the same man who allowed veils to be burned just last year. Sure there were warlords hiding behind women attire, but why not just ban it for a while, why flame it? Really what more can be said about a man who allows the very symbol of Islam to burn ? What a disgrace he is, him and his little TFG gov.

[Koronto91]

Here's Sh. Ibn Baaz's fatwa:

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=33 ... t=apostasy