American-Salafi: What The Grand Mufti Says About Your Sect!

[Unclebin-]

Murax...

They're are many scholars of the last 20-30 years... Everybody will tell you there sheik is the scholar of the century...

They will tell you there sheik was the Mujadid of the 14 century.... Come on dude....

No scholar is given the title Shaik ul Islam anymore...

Sheik Albaani, Ibn Baaz and others were all great but not the "SCHOLARS of the UMMAH" like you want to point out...

Some will tell you Sheik Qardawi is the top sheik... Some others will say Sheik Umal is ... Really depends on your ethnocentric perspective.

[Voltage]

[quote="Murax"]Alchemist,

Inshallah, I'm rehabilitating myself from the retarded qabil jahiliiyah by not even looking or responding to those threads. Make dua that we're saved from that jahiliyah.[/quote]


Good job bro

[Murax]

Unclebin,

Walal, theres no such thing as your scholar, my scholar, their scholar, hebel's scholar etc... There are the scholars of al xaqq and the scholars that have deviation etc...

Think of the Sunnah and the path you follow as two parallel staight lines. If one of the lines is crooked even a spec eventually it will diverge from the other line completely. What you, I and everyone must do is to learn the Religion. The foundation of your deen isn't going to be political Islam but the Tawhid, Aqeedah etc...

Theres great books you can start by. The three fundamentals, Kitaab Tawhid both written by Sh Cabiwahab are great to start with. Quran Memorization, learning the Arabic language are also a great start.


Again walal,

The scholars of our Ummah that departed were the ones I mentioned and the other scholars like Sh Umul, Cumar Faruuq etc. took from them and followed their path marka we must realize these things.

[Unclebin-]

^ Dude your telling me to read from Kitab at tawheed when i was advising people to do that for the last few months...

Anyhow... Listen up buddy... Sheiks who have passed away are no better then Sheiks who are alive...

I understand your sheik my sheik this sheik... I have more read books from albani to Abdulwahab... they are all great shuyukh.... But none of them is sheik al islam....

Again

"There are the scholars of al xaqq and the scholars that have deviation etc..."

What are you implying scholars of deviation?

They wouldn't be scholars then dude.... it's like a doctor who commits malpractice... There license would be revoked and no longer would be doctors.

[Murax]

Unclebin,

Actually I wanna rephraze something. I didn't say only those scholars are the scholars of al xaqq as theres ofcourse others, and perhaps some we don't even know. However anyone who slanders those scholars I mentioned or does not acknowledge them of being scholars of the sunnah is in error.

Also may Allah reward you since you told people to read those books prior. I didn't know obviously.

[Unclebin-]

Sxb I think we had a misunderstanding.... i am not saying those shuyukh are not scholars of high imminence... But they weren't a special phenomenon.... They were men and they are humans and there opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt....

You know Shaik Albani rahimullah in his book on " how the prophet prayed as if you see him" was talking about how people follow shuyukh blindly and not follow the sunnah...

Imam Malik, Shafi, Hanafi, and Hanbali rahimahullah were great but... Were ever they went against the Quran and sunnah we should not follow.... They said it themselves as he cites them...

Imam Shafi Said his sunnah is the prophets sunnah... implying follow the prophet not him.

[Koronto91]

[quote="Murax"]Koronto,

I'm not going to call anyone a howling dog, but Salman al Cawdah, Qardawi, Sh Umul are not the scholars of the Ummah as far as I know. Allah knows best.[/quote]

Who are they scholars of then?

[radical]

Murax, you really posted 1032 times in one month..cajiib..machine maatahay?

[American Salafi]

Koronto

Wallahi I believe that your either a liar and a deceiver or your really ignorant. Sheikh Al-Sheikh is one of the scholars of the salafis. We always have Telelinks with him and the other scholars from Saudi Arabia. i recently went to Atlanta, Georgia for an islamic seminar at masjid tawheed. We had telelinks with the scholars from saudi arabia and alhamdulilah they are all salafi.

Wallahi you have embarassed yourself by starting this thread. if i were you i would delete this thread as soon as possible. Sheikh Ala-Sheikh warning against us. Lool
This shows that you just take any thing from the web and use it to support you without checking your sources. Its like saying the "George Bush" is warning against the political party called "Republicans". Loool.

Akhi don't just copy and pasted. Read and verify your sources. Lol

[American Salafi]

Koronto

All the scholars, including Sheikh Ala-sheikh, have warned against Qardawi. This individual has given some amazing fatwas that go against the Shari'ah. Salman Oa'dah was refuted by Sheikh Ibn Baaz and Sheikh Uthymeen for his innovated beliefs and corrupt minhaj. So alhamdulilah, Allah has made the Haqq very and clear and the falsehood also. We have an individual, Koronto, who has no knowledge of Minhaj, posting useless accusation that are misleading and very deceptive.

[Koronto91]

American-Salafi,

I busted your little sect and you resort to name callings? Did you you even see the video of Sh. Ala? He warns your cult from accusing scholars of the religion and advices you to instead focus on learning the deen. LOL@we had a teleconference in Atlanta, dude I live in Atlanta...I know all the shyt that goes down at your center called Tawhid.

Take it like a man dude...you are nothing more than Saudi Arabia's foot soldiers, a bunch of poor & ignorant African-Americans and skinnies who do the work for filthy rich Arabs, while they laugh behind your backs.

[American Salafi]

Koronto

This is all you got? The sheikh gave advise to the youth about not attacking individuals and wasting their time . What is new? If your a student of knowledge than of course you stick to learning the religion and not waste your time arguing with ignorants like you. Do you know who Sheikh Ala-Sheikh is? Why in the world would you post this to defend your Hizbies groups? Do you know what the Sheikh's position towards your groups is? He believes Ikhwaani, Al-itixaad, takfiris to be innovators. So why would you post this? You saw a clip of Youtube, posted by a wack individual who commonly posts "suicide videos" on youtube, and try to use it as evidence to legitamize your innovations. Akhi wallahi you don't know whats reality and whats illusion. Your making yourself believe that the scholars somehow agree with what you believe. Akhi read their fatwas and rulings. Do some research and not just copy and paste from the web, looking for anything that supports your position.

As muslims we base our opinions and understanding on the evidence not base the evidence on our opinions and understanding. Fear Allah.

[Koronto91]

American Salafi,

You accuse people of being "Hizbies" while your cult is the only one that calls itself by a name, a deceiving name. You're not Salaf, you don't represent them in anyway. You're a political entity with a purpose i.e. to cause confusion among the Muslims by spewing lies e.g. "Rulers can not be rebeled" by misquoting hadiths, while rejecting verses from the Qur'an. Sh. Ala was asked a question about your cult and he responded, if the Grand Mufti himself is disgusted by your cheap attacks against renowned scholars of the deen, bal maxaa idin haray?

You've tried to take over every Masjid from the one in Atlanta to Columbus and your cult have been exposed for being nothing more than a herd of brainless sheep who blindly follow a political organization that speaks for the Saudi Monarchy. You try to quote Sh. Albaani when he rejected your sect, you quote Uthaymeen when he rejected your cult and now you can not face the simple fact that Sh. Ala himself is critisising your sect's despicable practice of insulting & lying about the ahlul deen; men who have spent most of their lives learning and teaching the religion. And then you have the audacity to say "Fear Allah" Why don't you start yourself by stopping your ridiculous attempts of calling non-Jadiidi Muslims "Hizbies" Hizbi of what? In the Qur'an, Allah says there are only two Hizbi i.e. Hizbullah & Hizbul Shaytaan; are you accusing non-Jadiidi Muslims of belonging to Hizbi Shaytaan? Are you saying your little cult is better than everyone else?

[Unclebin-]

Koronto

Aren't these "SALAFI JADIID" the same folks who say it's impossible for a non arab to be a sheik? And that they don't/shouldn't be adressed as that? Or is this another group?

Are they taking over all the somali run mosques in america?

[American Salafi]

koronto

Let me ask you a question. What is Sheikh Ala-Sheikh position Towards Ikhwaanal-Muslimeen, Al-itixaad, and other groups. Does he consider them to be innovators. Yes or No?

Do you believe in the Prophet's Hadith which is said that my ummah will divide into 73 sects all in the hell-fire except One. So how can you accept Ikhwaani, tableeghi, AL-itixaad, etc to be correct. The way to Allah is one not many. So either tableegh is right path or the ikhwaani path. So which one is correct? Tell me.

Sheikh Albani, Sheikh Uthymeen are the scholars of the salafis, alhamdulilah. If you want proof read their statements. They all believe that Ikhwaani, tableeghi, al-itixaad, sufi, etc to be misguided innovators. So show me anywhere where these scholars praise these groups. You are all talk and no evidence.

Since your good at copy and pasting from google, search sheikh albani, praising any of these groups.