American-Salafi: What The Grand Mufti Says About Your Sect!

[Shirib]

[quote="Koronto91"][quote="Voltage"]Koronto if one Salafi group (bin Laden and Zawahiri) are labeled as "takfiri" and this Salafi-Jadiid are being used by the Saudi monarchy, where is the real Salafi and why such ideologically enmity?[/quote]

Sxb. OBL and Zawahiri are "Takfiris" they are the mortal enemy of the Salafi Jadiid. If you pay close attention to American-Salafi, you will notice his obsession with OBL and everything OBL stands for, as if he is speaking on behalf of the American or Saudi government. Al-tihad, akhwaan al-Muslimeen, etc. are also their mortal enemies. Did you know that Sh. Daahir Aweys's own brother calle Sh. Ahmed is a Salafi Jadiid? During the ICU days, Salafi Jadiids didn't exist in Somalia, because the al-itihad, al-shabaab, etc. wouldn't let them flourish. But they found fertile grounds in other countries including North America.


Murax,

It came as a major surprise to everyone at Assunah when we heard we were being accused of being a "Daarood Masjid" and many non-Daarood people were boycotting because of this...looooooooooool.[/quote]


I've noticed that every topic he manages to bring OBL into it, like the guy matters or something.

[Murax]

[quote="Voltage"]where is the real Salafi and why such ideologically enmity?[/quote]


Voltage,

Akhi, you can tell who's from ahlul xaqq by the way he talks. Who does he quote? Does he quote? Who does he take his knowledge from? In Khutabtul Jumcah does the Imam quote Bukhaari, Ibn Tayyimah, Ibn Kathir or does he quote Sayyid Qutb, Xassan Banna etc.? Does the speaker quote with adilah using daliils from the Quran, Sahih Xadith etc.? You can tell who's from ahlul xaqq from the way they speak.

[Unclebin-]

^ Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Kathir weren't salaf either... They lived 600 years after the prophet.... They were Imams who followed the salafi saliheen.

[Murax]

[quote="Unclebin-"]^ Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Kathir weren't salaf either... They lived 600 years after the prophet.... They were Imams who followed the salafi saliheen.[/quote]


Actually you're right. The Salaf were the first 3 generations. I guess what I meant to say was they were righteous Imams and not ones of deviation.

[cabdicusman]

informant Koronto91 introduced "Salafi Jadiid" to the forum. i bet you have never heard about them before. what's Koronto91 motive? to waste your time and confuse you about groups that don't exist.

[Atomic]

Murax

What conflict of interest? I'm pointing out Koronto's habit of bringing qabil into every discussion. Comments and assumptions like a " your HG, so that's why you suppor so and so" have no place in Islamic discussion.

"As for this issue, I have maintained over and over again that I don't believe in calling oneself "Salafi". I believe there is a sahih hadith that says one should call himself "Al Muslim, Al Mu'min, Cibaadulah". Inshallah I'll look it up when I get home. I think calling yourself Salafi can in a way work as a divisive element among the Muslims, although I agree 100% with calling to the Quran, the Sunnah with the understanding of the companions, the salaf and with 'baseera' (Sure knowledge). I don't necessairly agree with the name Salafi per se. As far as these very small divisions, walaalayaal lets be more reconciliatory towards one another. If all our intentions are pure and we're looking for the right path, then we must be more patient when explaining things to one another. The Anbiyaa were insulted, mocked etc. but would continue giving the dacwa without responding. Allah knows best."

Agreed on this. I've always called myself muslim and nothing else.

[American Salafi]

The reason why I keep bringing up OBL and these individuals is to make it clear to the people there innovation. If you guys want me to stop talking about these Indviduals then tell me your beliefs concerning them. I know your groups very well, you guys never make your position clear. Your always hiding your true beliefs. It always bothers you guys when I bring up the subject of Suicide bombings and issues like that.

So koronto, Voltage, Shirib, Unclebin what is your position towards Bin Laden. Is he righteous or is he an innovator? Make your Minhaj clear to the people don't be like the Shi'ah using Taqiya.

Also tell me your position towards the groups of Today like Ikhwaan, AL-itixaad, Suroori, sufis, Shi'ah. Do you believe these different paths to be correct or do you believe it to be falsehood. Make your Minhaj clear.

Finally, calling yourself Salafi. I only mentioned from the statements of the Scholars that calling oneself salafi is permissible. Salafi is only word if it doesn't come with the correct belief and action. Its fine to say I am a muslim but you must be a muslim that has the understanding of the salaf. Also don't believe that ascribing to the way of the salaf as being shameful.

So I am waiting the respond of Koronto, Voltage, Shirib, Unclebin.

[Koronto91]

^Dude, who doesn't know about OBL and his "alleged terrorist activities"? We all know it, we don't agree with it, I've never met a Somali who ever supported terrorism or suicide bombings, by culture those things are alien to us. So, take it easy with the over-emphasis.

As for supporting all those groups including al-itihad; I don't support any group period. I am a Muslim who follows the Qur'an and the Sunnah of our noble Prophet (saw) and that is the way it should be.

As for reffering to yourself as a Salafi; that is misleading, because according to the Prophet (saw) the best of the ummah were the 1st three generations who were known as the Salaf. Everyone who came after that can claim to be following the path/minjah of the Salaf, but can never call himself a Salaf.

[American Salafi]

Koronto

Alhamdulilah. So if you believe that OBl is wrong then you also must believe that he and his group must be refuted, right?

Your making your position clear, alhamdulilah. You don't believe in these other groups and your not a part of it. So isn't it the reason that your not apart of these groups is that they are not upon the Haqq? As a muslim we only follow those that are upon the Haqq and we also warn the people against those that are not upon it, right?

Finally, the issue of calling oneself Salafi. Koronto the scholars have said it is permissible to call oneself Salafi. These are not my words akhi. I have read the fatwas on Sheikh ALbani, Sheikh Uthymeen, SHeikh Saalih Fawzaan, and many other. All have said it is permissible to call oneself salafi.

When we talk in a good manner we can benefit one another. I admit I started off in an aggressive manner, forgive me. This is not the way we advise when another. I advise you to read the fatwas of the scholars.

[PINK_BUNNY]

You don't need a grand mufti to tell you guys "sects" are AGAINST Islam. I am a well known scholar, and I am trying to save some of you from going down a dark and dusty path, cause you might not find your way back.

[Koronto91]

[quote="American Salafi"]When we talk in a good manner we can benefit one another. I admit I started off in an aggressive manner, forgive me. This is not the way we advise when another. I advise you to read the fatwas of the scholars.[/quote]

Caf iyo saamix, yaa akhii! If I've wronged you, please forgive me as well. I will read up on those scholarly fatwas you mentioned insha Allah, may Allah protect us all from the fitnah of the shaytaan & the fitnah within ourselves, aamiin.

[PINK_BUNNY]

Ignore my warnings just cause I'm a girl, but know that I'm a girl with important info.

[MJ-Pride]

Koronto and American Salafi, Baarka allahu fiikum for putting your differences aside. Muslims should all get together and Unite against Western evils. All those sects come under the banner of Islam. The diverge in ideologies can be overcome if every Muslim follow the qura'an and Sunnan.

[American Salafi]

Koronto

Na'am, Amiin. I don't dislike you personaly akhi but we have some major differences. Lets agree that we follow the book of Allah and the sunnah of the messenger(saw) with the understanding of the Salaf. When we have any differences we take it back to Allah and his messenger, as Allah stated in surat Nisaa. We agree that Sheikh ALbani, Sheikh Uythmeen, Sheikh Ibn Baaz, Sheikh Fawzaan are all scholars. So when we have arguements we use these scholars are references. because you know we don't consider some of each others "scholars" to be Ulama. Arguing doesn't benefit much and it is a waste of Time.If you feel that I am wrong then post your evidence and I will too inshallah.

Wallahi we are arguing about Issue that can lead us to the Hell-fire or save us from it. So when we talk let it be in a nice manner. Also I am coming to Atlanta soon this spring break inshallah we got set down and have tea. Lool. I hope you don't behead me. Joke. lol. But anyway Allah guide us to the correct path. Amiin.

[Murax]

Alxamduriialh we are all reaching a consensus.

American Salafi,

Koronto has refuted and spoken out against OBL and his group several times, and he does not believe in the group/firqa ideaology.


Also guys I think its important we always talk about the core, important issues rather than belabour these issues so much.