are somalians cushitic?

[justice4basra]

on wikipedia:

Biblical Cush: Cush was the eldest son of Ham, brother of Canaan and the father of Nimrod, mentioned in the "Table of Nations" in the Book of Genesis and in I Chronicles. It is usually considered to be the eponym of the people of Kush. Six Arabian tribes are also sons of Cush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Cush

Cush: Kush was a civilization centered in the region of Nubia, located in what is today northern Sudan. One of the earliest civilizations to develop in the Nile River Valley, Kushite states rose to power before a period of Egyptian incursion into the area. People in Kush were called Kushites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cush

Cushitic languages: The Cushitic languages are a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic languages, named after the Biblical figure Cush by analogy with Semitic. They are spoken in the Horn of Africa. The most prominent language is Oromo with about 28 million speakers, followed by Somali (in Somalia, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Kenya) with about 20 million speakers, Sidamo (in Ethiopia) with about 4 million speakers, Hadia about 1.6 million native speakers, Kambata about 1.4 million native speakers and Afar (in Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Djibouti) with about 1.5 million speakers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushitic

[Shirib]

Yes we are, all the anthropoligical, and genetic evidence says we are cushitic.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I Beg to Differ.

[The_Emperior5]

[quote="Shirib"]Yes we are, all the anthropoligical, and genetic evidence says we are cushitic.[/quote]


cush ma ina haam ina haam uu isna aah ina nuux

wa isla halkeedii

[neocon_2007]

[quote="Shirib"]Yes we are, all the anthropoligical, and genetic evidence says we are cushitic.[/quote]

False cushtic denotes lingustics not genetic lineage. I am Maxamud Harti from Maakhir, cushtic is not a ethnicity.

[neocon_2007]

[quote="justice4basra"]on wikipedia:

Biblical Cush: Cush was the eldest son of Ham, brother of Canaan and the father of Nimrod, mentioned in the "Table of Nations" in the Book of Genesis and in I Chronicles. It is usually considered to be the eponym of the people of Kush. Six Arabian tribes are also sons of Cush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Cush

Cush: Kush was a civilization centered in the region of Nubia, located in what is today northern Sudan. One of the earliest civilizations to develop in the Nile River Valley, Kushite states rose to power before a period of Egyptian incursion into the area. People in Kush were called Kushites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cush

Cushitic languages: The Cushitic languages are a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic languages, named after the Biblical figure Cush by analogy with Semitic. They are spoken in the Horn of Africa. The most prominent language is Oromo with about 28 million speakers, followed by Somali (in Somalia, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Kenya) with about 20 million speakers, Sidamo (in Ethiopia) with about 4 million speakers, Hadia about 1.6 million native speakers, Kambata about 1.4 million native speakers and Afar (in Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Djibouti) with about 1.5 million speakers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushitic[/quote]

Kush is a regional polity south of Ta Seti, the inhabitants neither spoke a Cushtic language and were not even the same ethnicity as the mainstream cushtic speakers. Kush and its inhabitants spoke a Nilosaharan language, Meroe and were nilotes.

[justice4basra]

[quote="Shirib"]Yes we are, all the anthropoligical, and genetic evidence says we are cushitic.[/quote]

do you buy genetic evidence? i seen a TV program in which genetic evidence claimed black Africans whose genetic composition is 30-50% European. besides, the science of genetic evidence is young and todays evidence could turn out inaccurate in the future

[Shirib]

^^^ Not not all really, genetics is weird, I really don't buy into it, but the anthropoligical findings I do buy.

[HAUDflower]

Cushitic is just a linguistic group. It has only formed in the last 30,000-70,000 years. Just like the Habesha adopted Ge'ez Semitic tongue in the last 2,000 years, Cushitic is just a language, nothing more, it is not telling of genetics or ancestry.

However, Somalis are part of the Ethiopid/Athiopid family -- hence why Ethiopia has its name, the entire horn was once referred to as simply the land of the Athiopids/Ethiopids.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2097/r ... ika7vf.jpg

But in the last 3,000 to 5,000 years, Somalis have grown closer to the Nilotide group and further from the Habasha. The Habasha are today closer to Southern Peninsula Arabs genetically and Somalis are closer to groups like Massai, Dinka, Turkana, Luo, and Nubians, but its simply an observation.

[justice4basra]

an interesting excerpt from wikipedia:

"Generally, it is believed that most population movements involve male invaders and an indigenous Somali population, of the same general type as the Ethiopid may been established millennia ago with distinct characteristics that link them to all of their neighbors. This data points towards small paternal contributions from genetically Eurasian populations. Genetic studies also show that there are not any substantial genetic variations between the Amhara people of Ethiopia and their Cushitic neighbors, which, if the Semitic branch did not originate in the Horn of Africa, suggests substantial linguistic replacement rather than a large mass invasion from Arabia or elsewhere as an explanation for the languages of the Amhara and other Semitic-speaking peoples in Ethiopia.

This does not preclude that a much more ancient population movement from Arabia may have taken place. In addition, other studies speculate that an overall higher contribution from Southwest Asian or North African peoples may have taken place throughout the Horn of Africa. In the scientific The History and Geography of Human Genes, an admixture of standard methods had given values of about 60% African and 40% Caucasoid." The Caucasoid can be Southwest Asian or North African peoples.

Overall, the Somalis genetically cluster with their neighbors in the Horn of Africa and represent a unique sub-group of the region."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_people#Genetics

[Caashaqa]

[quote="justice4basra"][quote="Shirib"]Yes we are, all the anthropoligical, and genetic evidence says we are cushitic.[/quote]

do you buy genetic evidence? i seen a TV program in which genetic evidence claimed black Africans whose genetic composition is 30-50% European. besides, the science of genetic evidence is young and todays evidence could turn out inaccurate in the future[/quote]
WAS THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES CAUSE THAT SHIT MADE ME LAUGH

[justice4basra]

[quote="Caashaqa"][quote="justice4basra"][quote="Shirib"]Yes we are, all the anthropoligical, and genetic evidence says we are cushitic.[/quote]

do you buy genetic evidence? i seen a TV program in which genetic evidence claimed black Africans whose genetic composition is 30-50% European. besides, the science of genetic evidence is young and todays evidence could turn out inaccurate in the future[/quote]
WAS THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES CAUSE THAT SHIT MADE ME LAUGH[/quote]

some were African Americans, Caribbeans and West Africans (i distinctly remember a Niger, not Nigerian)

[maraax123]

i don't know about you guys but i maraax trace my roots to the maasai.

Nilo-Hamitic (the Hamites came from north Africa) and all Maasai tribes share the Maa language (hence their name Maasai; they share the Maa language with the Samburu tribe from whom they split some time ago). They have been proposed as the "Lost Tribe of Israel" because of their history.

[HAUDflower]

Maraax13,

For some odd reason, Cushitic ethnic groups have extremely close cultural ties with the Massai. It transcends even genetics. From our clothing, to our hygiene, to our marriage customs and our physical build. I've never seen a Somali refer to Massai culture like they do Arab culture or Habesha culture. All older Somalis, ages 60 and up, think that Massai are somehow a Somali clan, LOL, I've actually heard it before.

If you ever want to see how your ancestors lived 3,000 years ago, study the Massai and you'll find out how far we've come and what our real path was.

And not to mention, Somalis are not from Sudan or "Kush" as once believed, but from the Omo Tana rivers in Kenya where the Som clan split from the Omo Tana's major tribe in 1,000 BC, and by 500 BC, most of the Ogaden basin was inhabited by Somalis. Som was a shortened nickname for a famous Omo Tana tribesmen named "Somaale" -- aka IRIR SAMAALE, the common father of the Somalis -- that's why I also believe that Hawiye have the longest ancestry of any Somali clan, it goes back almost 100 generations but Isaaq and Darood do not surpass 35 generations. Hawiye ancestry dates back to the first day of the modern Somali ethnic group, but Isaaq and Darood were hashed from a recruitment tool used by Arab merchants and imams.

Somalis have no mention in the Bible, we are not from Kush or descended from "Ham" or "Sam" or whatever they call it in the Hebrew fiction tale. Somalis are simply an indigenous East African tribe, as old as time.

[justice4basra]

HAUDflower, so your saying Somalians are from Kenya, somewhere near the Tana river?