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Grant wrote:Carter promised no more than defensive supplies. He had absolutely no reason to trust MSB and the American position has always supported the OAU in oposing moving the colonial boundaries. MSB had kicked the US out of the country in 1969, taken a pro-Russian stance in the cold war, and operated as a dictator.The way that war was fought was stupid beyond belief, and relying on American military support is utterly incredible.

Don't Blame Carter for 1977.

Carter encouraged Barre to annex Ogaden, and promised to supply arms and weapons. He didn't only renege on his promise, he blockaded Somalia's sea and ocean so that no supplies of arms and weapons will reach Somalis. Carter, being a diehard Christian, did that because he couldn't stomach a Muslim country defeating a Christian country. That's the plain truth.

eternauta

I don't think carter deserves any blame, and he is a very liberal, if he hates muslims I doubt he would be writing a book that is critical of israel.

The only person that deserves blame for the ogaden war is MSB.

Jr.

You give people too much credit, most working class whites voted for Reagan in the 80's even though it was not in their interest to do so.

1nkaarQabe wrote:The only person that deserves blame for the ogaden war is MSB.

Waa sax. MSB is also responsible for global warming and the genocide in Darfur.

xoogSADE14 wrote:

1nkaarQabe wrote:The only person that deserves blame for the ogaden war is MSB.

Waa sax. MSB is also responsible for global warming and the genocide in Darfur.

sxb, I'm not here to convince you of anything, you asked for other sources beside my grandmother, and you were given those sources and now you don't like what the facts state. As far as your concerned siade barre was the messiah and will always be the messiah, marka sarcasmkaaga meel kala la aad because the facts are clearly against you.

[quote="eternauta] Carter encouraged Barre to annex Ogaden, and promised to supply arms and weapons. He didn't only renege on his promise, he blockaded Somalia's sea and ocean so that no supplies of arms and weapons will reach Somalis. Carter, being a diehard Christian, did that because he couldn't stomach a Muslim country defeating a Christian country. That's the plain truth.[/quote]

Complete and utter Bullshit. Do you have a backup of your erounous BS?


1nkaarQabe,

Sxb Reagan was elected because of the state of the economy at the time; the Oil crisis was a major concern among voters at the time, as well, the Iran hostage crtisis. Again people voted for their pocket book, fear and uncertainty.

Sxb you found one article written by a white guy (whose sources aren't known). I can find you plenty of foreign written articles/books praising the great president and the Somali governemnt in general for their swift and unprecedented success in liberating Kelinka 5naad. But then again you already knew that.

Soomaalidu waxeey tiraahdaa "tuug intaadan tuug oran buu tuug ku yiraahdaa" marka weey iska cadahay labadeena kan cuqdadu kujirto iyo kan dhanka taariikhda taagan.

If you think I supported/support every action taken by the Kacaan then sxb you're even sicker than I suspected.

*jr wrote:Complete and utter Bullshit. Do you have a backup of your erounous BS?

"the Carter administration cut off all its aid to Ethiopia and encouraged Barre to invade the Ogaden region"

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... ticle/439/

More backups upon request.

eternauta wrote:

*jr wrote:Complete and utter Bullshit. Do you have a backup of your erounous BS?

"the Carter administration cut off all its aid to Ethiopia and encouraged Barre to invade the Ogaden region"

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... ticle/439/

More backups upon request.

Cherry picking long article, are we? Once again there is no proof of what you said earlier that Carter "promised to supply arms and weapons", and that "He blockaded Somalia's sea and ocean so that no supplies of arms and weapons will reach Somalis".

*jr wrote:Cherry picking long article, are we? Once again there is no proof of what you said earlier that Carter "promised to supply arms and weapons", and that "He blockaded Somalia's sea and ocean so that no supplies of arms and weapons will reach Somalis".

It will not convince you if more backups are brought. Jimmy Carter to you, is a saint.

eternauta wrote:

*jr wrote:Cherry picking long article, are we? Once again there is no proof of what you said earlier that Carter "promised to supply arms and weapons", and that "He blockaded Somalia's sea and ocean so that no supplies of arms and weapons will reach Somalis".

It will not convince you if more backups are brought. Jimmy Carter to you, is a saint.

OMG, from whose lips did this lie fall?

Who cares bout Carter's endorsement. If anythin this man is considered a crazy ex farmer n pres. who blames everythin on the Jews.......So this might actually hurt Obama who knows .......Sadly for a man wid a nobel n is a humanitarian he ain't given his due.

PINK_BUNNY wrote:Who cares bout Carter's endorsement. If anythin this man is considered a crazy ex farmer n pres. who blames everythin on the Jews.......So this might actually hurt Obama who knows .......Sadly for a man wid a nobel n is a humanitarian he ain't given his due.

What you wrote is a childish scribble. I would advice you to do some reading on President Carter and what he stands for, and what he has accomplished since he left office.

"President Carter promised Somalia "defensive arms" in April 1977, but Washington reneged on this pledge when Somalia encouraged and supported the opening of hostilities in the Ogaden."

The Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden - Page 88



Search:

http://books.google.com/

eternauta wrote:"President Carter promised Somalia "defensive arms" in April 1977, but Washington reneged on this pledge when Somalia encouraged and supported the opening of hostilities in the Ogaden."

The Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden - Page 88



Search:

http://books.google.com/

It's a known fact that Washington promised money and arms to Somalia after Siyad Barre cut off relations with the Soviet Union...that hardy supports your argument that the US "had given Siyad Barre the go ahead to invade Ugadenya".

In June 1977, Carter relayed a secret message to Barre, reportedly telling him that whatever he did in the Ogaden was his own business, but if he dropped his claims to Kenya and Djibouti, Washington would sympathetically consider his "legitimate" defensive needs. A few days later, Carter told the Somali ambassador that although the United States couldn't at that time provide military aid, Washington would encourage its allies to help Somalia maintain its defensive strength. The next month, Carter approved in principle a decision to cooperate with other countries in arming Somalia, and on July 25 the Somali ambassador was notified that the United States would provide weapons. Not surprisingly, Barre took this as a green light to proceed with his invasion of the Ogaden.

When the Somalia invasion became evident to the outside world in August, the Carter administration decided that it would not provide arms to Mogadishu as long as Somali troops were in Ethiopia. Washington declared an arms embargo on both sides, but still maneuvered for advantage on the Horn. On the one hand, U.S. officials, like Moscow, still considered Ethiopia the more valuable catch. So while they denounced the Kremlin for arming Ethiopia, they were silent about Israeli arms support for Addis Ababa and indeed about U.S. deliveries of 23 trucks and $400,000 worth of nonlethal military spare parts to Ethiopia.

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/shalomsomalia.html
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Interesting the last paragraph. While Carter reneged on his promise to supply Somalia arms and weapons, he also declared and enforced arms embargo on Somalia, was silent about Israel arming Ethiopia, and even sent 23 trucks and $400,000 worth of nonlethal military spare parts to Ethiopia.