Who are the Opposition in Somalia? Is peace possible?

[eternauta]

TAM,

What is your major?

It's an off-topic question, which I might answer in an appropriate topic.

Brother, you seem to be more interested in Osama Bin Laden's biography and Ronald Reagon's (CIA, U.S government's) crusade against the Soviet invassion in Afghan istan than peace in Somalia which this thread was intended.

But there's an American crusade against helpless Somalis. America took part in the invasion and occupation of Somalia. It's providing logistical support and financing the brutal Ethiopian occupiers who indiscriminately bomb civilians, rape women, slaughter Suufi wadaads, and commit all sorts of inhumane atrocities against helpless Muslims. Ethiopia wouldn't dare do what it's doing without the support of America and Europe. Somalis need Muslim allies to defend themselves and liberate their country. Seeking Muslim allies is a must because the enemy (Ethiopia) counts on Christian allies to subjugate Somalis. Sheikh Osama helped Afghans liberate their country from Soviet occupation. He's helping Somalis liberate their country from Ethiopian occupation.

[Shirib]

American Suufi

We have a TFG thats made of warlords that have been destroyin the country for 17 years and who have brought Ethiopians to destroy it a little more

An Asmara group who are chillin in Asmara and have warlords in their ranks

Th Youth who are inside the country, who are fighting to liberate it

[Shirib]

American Suufi, Osama and Al Qaeda are irrelevant stop mentioning them like there is Al Qaeda in Somalia.

[American-Suufi]

American Suufi, Osama and Al Qaeda are irrelevant stop mentioning them like there is Al Qaeda in Somalia.

Most of Al-Shabab leaders were footsoldiers and bodyguards of Alqaeda in Afghanistan and in Somalia. Secondly, recently Somalia wittnessed for the first time Al-shabaab using Alqaeda warfare playbook guide like suicide bombings and improvised explosives. Admit it. eternauta admits it and concludes, yes, "Sheikh Osama helped Afghans liberate their country from Soviet occupation. He's helping Somalis liberate their country from Ethiopian occupation." Osama never freed Afghanistan from Soviets and he can't even free his own country. He doesnt care if Somalia and Somalis burn.

[But there's an American crusade against helpless Somalis. America took part in the invasion and occupation of Somalia. It's providing logistical support and financing the brutal Ethiopian occupiers who indiscriminately bomb civilians, rape women, slaughter Suufi wadaads, and commit all sorts of inhumane atrocities against helpless Muslims. Ethiopia wouldn't dare do what it's doing without the support of America and Europe. Somalis need Muslim allies to defend themselves and liberate their country. Seeking Muslim allies is a must because the enemy (Ethiopia) counts on Christian allies to subjugate Somalis. Sheikh Osama helped Afghans liberate their country from Soviet occupation. He's helping Somalis liberate their country from Ethiopian occupation.

[Shirib]

Most of Al-Shabab leaders were footsoldiers and bodyguards of Alqaeda in Afghanistan and in Somalia. Secondly, recently Somalia wittnessed for the first time Al-shabaab using Alqaeda warfare playbook guide like suicide bombings and improvised explosives. Admit it. eternauta admits it and concludes, yes, "Sheikh Osama helped Afghans liberate their country from Soviet occupation. He's helping Somalis liberate their country from Ethiopian occupation." Osama never freed Afghanistan from Soviets and he can't even free his own country. He doesnt care if Somalia and Somalis burn.

The only person u have that on is Ceyrow AUN and he is dead. Abu Mansoor probably never went to Afghanistan, highly doubt he did. Even if he did thats only 2 people and one is dead, AUN.

There is no connection, the Shabaab leaders said there is non, stop trying to draw lines where there is non.

Now here are ur choices

We have a TFG thats made of warlords that have been destroyin the country for 17 years and who have brought Ethiopians to destroy it a little more

An Asmara group who are chillin in Asmara and have warlords in their ranks

Th Youth who are inside the country, who are fighting to liberate it

[eternauta]

We have a TFG thats made of warlords that have been destroyin the country for 17 years and who have brought Ethiopians to destroy it a little more

American-Suufi argues it's Al-Shabaab that has been destroying the country for 17 years. He wants them stop fighting so that the peace-loving warlords will govern Somalia and Ethiopian peace keepers will go back to their country.

[American-Suufi]

Peace needs courage while destruction needs madness.

Sheikh Sharif and other Muslims are sitting with the evil in Jibouti to rescue Somalis from oblivion while al-shabaab are only interested in Al-qaeda concepts and their jihadi manuscript. They dont want peace for Somalis.

Shirib

Brother add to your list of Afghani trained the new Shabab leader Sheikh Mukhtar Abdirahman Abu Zubey.

[Shirib]

American-Suufi

The warlord from the Asmara group already rejected the talks in Jabuuti.

http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/pub ... outi.shtml

U have a wierd obsession with Afghanistan do u know that. U make it way more relevant than it is. Truth be told Afghanistan and Al Qaeda have little to do with Somalia.

Somalia will not tolerate the warlords of the past 17 years. Its time for The Youth to take over

[American-Suufi]

American-Suufi

The warlord from the Asmara group already rejected the talks in Jabuuti.

http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/pub ... outi.shtml

U have a wierd obsession with Afghanistan do u know that. U make it way more relevant than it is. Truth be told Afghanistan and Al Qaeda have little to do with Somalia.

Somalia will not tolerate the warlords of the past 17 years. Its time for The Youth to take over

Shirib dont try to spin Al-Shabaab like they are a group of Somali youths by the sheer of love for their own country decided to fight against an Ethiopian enemy. If 4 of 'your leaders' are Alqaeda Afghanistan trained then they must believe in Osama's blueprint. eternauta admits and wrote, "Sheikh Osama helped Afghans liberate their country from Soviet occupation. He's helping Somalis liberate their country from Ethiopian occupation."

Brother, No Somali patriot will behave like this;

"In November, Islamic insurgents broke into Madina Ali's home in the capital of Mogadishu, forcing an explosive-laden package into her younger sister's hands.

The militants then ordered the teenager to carry the parcel past a group of Ethiopian soldiers. If she didn't, they threatened to kill her family. When she complied, they detonated the explosive by remote control, killing her and injuring several soldiers.

"After that, we decided to leave," said Ali, 28. "Otherwise we might have been killed."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 7VVGRL.DTL

[eternauta]

"In November, Islamic insurgents broke into Madina Ali's home in the capital of Mogadishu, forcing an explosive-laden package into her younger sister's hands.

The militants then ordered the teenager to carry the parcel past a group of Ethiopian soldiers. If she didn't, they threatened to kill her family. When she complied, they detonated the explosive by remote control, killing her and injuring several soldiers.

"After that, we decided to leave," said Ali, 28. "Otherwise we might have been killed."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 7VVGRL.DTL

Al-Shabaab wouldn't do something like that. Sfgate.com helped in spreading the Bush regime's lies about Iraq's WMDs, so it cannot be trusted.

[Shirib]

American-Suufi

The warlord from the Asmara group already rejected the talks in Jabuuti.

http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/pub ... outi.shtml

U have a wierd obsession with Afghanistan do u know that. U make it way more relevant than it is. Truth be told Afghanistan and Al Qaeda have little to do with Somalia.

Somalia will not tolerate the warlords of the past 17 years. Its time for The Youth to take over

Shirib dont try to spin Al-Shabaab like they are a group of Somali youths by the sheer of love for their own country decided to fight against an Ethiopian enemy. If 4 of 'your leaders' are Alqaeda Afghanistan trained then they must believe in Osama's blueprint. eternauta admits and wrote, "Sheikh Osama helped Afghans liberate their country from Soviet occupation. He's helping Somalis liberate their country from Ethiopian occupation."

Brother, No Somali patriot will behave like this;

"In November, Islamic insurgents broke into Madina Ali's home in the capital of Mogadishu, forcing an explosive-laden package into her younger sister's hands.

The militants then ordered the teenager to carry the parcel past a group of Ethiopian soldiers. If she didn't, they threatened to kill her family. When she complied, they detonated the explosive by remote control, killing her and injuring several soldiers.

"After that, we decided to leave," said Ali, 28. "Otherwise we might have been killed."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 7VVGRL.DTL

Propaganda 101, try to comeback with somethin better Abu Mansuur doesn't even kill soldiers he captures, if they weren't warned before. He caught dozens in the Balidoogle raid and let them all go, just took their weapons. Same thing in Diinsoor. Thats why after that the commanders in Balidoogle and Diinsoor left their posts. Nice propaganda, yea good one .

Al Qaeda and Shabaab have no connection. Get that through your head. Even Shabaab said they have no link with Al Qaeda. Get that through your head

Eternauta never said Shabaab and Bin Laden were linked. He said if they were, what would be wrong with it. But they are not linked.

Shabaab is a home grown grass roots movement.

[Shilling]

Brother, you seem to be more interested in Osama Bin Laden's biography and Ronald Reagon's (CIA, U.S government's) crusade against the Soviet invassion in Afghan istan than peace in Somalia which this thread was intended.

But there's an American crusade against helpless Somalis. America took part in the invasion and occupation of Somalia. It's providing logistical support and financing the brutal Ethiopian occupiers who indiscriminately bomb civilians, rape women, slaughter Suufi wadaads, and commit all sorts of inhumane atrocities against helpless Muslims. Ethiopia wouldn't dare do what it's doing without the support of America and Europe. Somalis need Muslim allies to defend themselves and liberate their country. Seeking Muslim allies is a must because the enemy (Ethiopia) counts on Christian allies to subjugate Somalis. Sheikh Osama helped Afghans liberate their country from Soviet occupation. He's helping Somalis liberate their country from Ethiopian occupation.

Eternauta,

So everything America touches must be deemed as crusade against helpless people huh? When American soldiers were deployed to Somalia in 1993 as part of multinational peace keeping force it was the helpless Somalis that it was trying to defend from thugs, but why should that matter since it seems any group who opposes the Al-Shabab you sympathize with is evil.

Al-Shabab deliver night letters to businessmen and others they wish to intimidate, yet it is the Americans that you deem evil.

Two Somali-born Britons who had returned to build a school in the town of Baladwayne were shot dead by rebels with links to Al-Shabab, yet it is the Ethiopians you seem to blame for all sorts of inhumane atrocities against helpless Muslims.

For one thing, it behooves me why any Somali whose country and the lives of his countrymen are in pieces would so blindly be supportive of such group, a group known to spread fear through Mogadishu, a city of up to 3 million people that has been convulsed by fighting for 17 years.

[Somali_4Life]

Peace is not possible while ethiopians still occupy somalia and the traitors support them.
The only way peace can come is:
1 ethiopians should leave somalia
2 the traitors must repent

[eternauta]

Eternauta never said Shabaab and Bin Laden were linked. He said if they were, what would be wrong with it. But they are not linked.

Exactly. The only thing Bin Laden could be guilty of is 911, but most everyone knows it was an inside job.

Eternauta,

So everything America touches must be deemed as crusade against helpless people huh? When American soldiers were deployed to Somalia in 1993 as part of multinational peace keeping force it was the helpless Somalis that it was trying to defend from thugs, but why should that matter since it seems any group who opposes the Al-Shabab you sympathize with is evil.

Al-Shabab deliver night letters to businessmen and others they wish to intimidate, yet it is the Americans that you deem evil.

Two Somali-born Britons who had returned to build a school in the town of Baladwayne were shot dead by rebels with links to Al-Shabab, yet it is the Ethiopians you seem to blame for all sorts of inhumane atrocities against helpless Muslims.

For one thing, it behooves me why any Somali whose country and the lives of his countrymen are in pieces would so blindly be supportive of such group, a group known to spread fear through Mogadishu, a city of up to 3 million people that has been convulsed by fighting for 17 years.

Even MAD MAC, an insider of the US intervention of Somalia, said America (or whites in general) doesn't care about Muslims or black Christians. He said, if America is involved in Africa, it's for politics, profits or both. With regard to the two Somali-born Britons, it hasn't been proven Al-Shabaab was behind their killing. Besides, their killing isn't as important, as the death/killing of hundreds thousands of Somali Muslims is more important. We Somali Muslims (of course conservative Muslims) place our first concern and give utmost priority to our fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, not two Somali-born Christian Britons.

[American-Suufi]

[We Somali Muslims (of course conservative Muslims) place our first concern and give utmost priority to our fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, not two Somali-born Christian Britons.

That is exactly the point of this thread. How can Muslim Somalis enjoy peace? Al-Shabaab previously known as Al-Itihad fought peaceloving Somalis from Puntland to Gedo in the past, did they change their shirts and became Somali patriots? No. Do they care about the suffering of Somali people? NO. They are naive young un-educated guys who were told to create an osama caliphate in the horn at the cost of Somali suffering. Let them destroy Somalia and Somalis.