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Enlightened~Sista wrote:was the Madinan Muslims rebellion against Yazid wrong?They called him a Dhaalim (Unjust) and Fasiq (Corrupt)

was Hadhrat Hussein RA wrong too?


Lets bear in mind..Yazid ordered the head of Hadhrat Hussein RA to be sent to him in Damascus as proof of his death.

Those were times of trials and tribulations the Prophet SAW fortold and the fitnah of the Ummah started after Uthman's death which was the work of the khawaarij and it has been going on until now. Thats why Uthman RAW refused to fight or defend Himself when His house was surrounded because He said I'm not going to have the fitnah start while I'm alive.

Allahu caclam about who was wrong there You'll have to ask the people of knowledge.

Murax wrote: Allahu caclam about who was wrong there You'll have to ask the people of knowledge.

Allahu Alaam, this is the only sentence i can agree with you on since you opened this thread. Each and everyone had their own reasoning behind what they did. We are human being and none of us is infallible.

But I do know this much. Narrated from the prophet asw "If anyone of you sees something wrong, he should change it with his hand, if he can not he should change it with his tongue and if he can not he should do it with his heart and that is the weakest form of faith".

Btw, Zubayr was murdered after returning from the battle of Camel. Zabayr was one of the six men who Omar ibn al Khattab recommended as being the caliph after him. Zubayr was one of the 10 who were promised Jannah. And by the way so was Talha if you dont know.

I doubt your knowledge why those three among others rebelled, but in any case if you think that for them to ask Ali to bring Qisas to those who murdered Othman ibn Affan is wrong, then my friend there is nothing much i can say!

Peace...I am out from this thread.

Navy9 wrote:

Alchemist wrote: P.S.. I agree with you in principle that the muslim rulers no matter how corrupt or evil they might be should not be rebelled against as long as their muslim..This is the way of the salafi...

We all know that Ali ibn abi Talib was neither corrupt or evil yet Aisha ra and Talha and Al Zubayr all three fought Ali ibn abit Talib in the battle of the Camel in 656. So if the mother of the faithful and the companions of the prophet asw challenged Ali and put his leadership into question, do you think anyone who wrote in this thread is any better than the three mentioned above and think turning a blind eye against any injustice is an Islamic act!

Think again and use the mind that Allah has given you...and ofcourse it wouldnt hurt reading instead of lending your ears to people who have other hidden agenda!!!

Who told you this BULL S H I T?
Aisha r.a,Zubayr and Talha didnt challenge Ali r.a. Some crazy ayatollah is giving you islamic history lesson.

Brother you are now acussing Aisha r.a and the companions of grave sin(rebelling for worldly desire). This is not a joke. Speak only when you know about islamic history.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:was the Madinan Muslims rebellion against Yazid wrong?They called him a Dhaalim (Unjust) and Fasiq (Corrupt)

was Hadhrat Hussein RA wrong too?


Lets bear in mind..Yazid ordered the head of Hadhrat Hussein RA to be sent to him in Damascus as proof of his death.

The two abadallah,Ibn Abbas and ibn Umar radiyallah anhum warned al-Hussain r.a not to go to kufa because the shias will betray him.
You should know,Yazid got the bayyat of muslims by force but at the time when al-Hussain r.a was challenging him his(yazid)rule was not established yet.

Did you know the two abadallah gave their bayyat to Yazid when his rule was established?
Did you know the son of Ali RA,Muhammad ibn al hanafiyah, rejected when shias wanted to make him their leader so he can fight Yazid? He did not want to fight yazid. Were Abdullah ibn Abbas,Abdullah ibn Zubayr ,Abdullah ibn Umar and Muhammad ibn al hanafiyah all wrong ?
Abdullah ibn Zubayr fought only against Marwan,during the terrible periode of al Hajjaaj ibn Yusuf.

Somali_4Life wrote:[ Some crazy ayatollah is giving you islamic history lesson. .

Raggeidi

assalamu a'leykum,

Murax what shuyuukh do you follow that are alive today.. i mean alive not ibn baz, utheymeen (rahimahuallah aj'm'aeen) etc..

madkhali by any chance ?.. or Ubaykaan ?..

Murax

And there is also scholarly CIJMAA that whoever allies with kuffaar against muslims is a kaafir outside the fold of Islam. Plus there also quite strong evidence against the ruler who dismantles the sharica.

And before you pull up the favourite hadiith of every murjic, "kufr duuna kufr", check out the authenticity because there is ikhtilaaf about it and many culamaa say that there's link missing in chain of narration. And IF it really happened, check out who Ibn Abbaas was talking to in this hadiith and what issue he was talking about. It was said to khawaarij, and I guess you know the circumstances where they came out when there was problem between Ali and Mucaawiyah, and what ever happened between Amr and Abu Musa when they tried to judge the situation.

And there another narration from Ibn Abbaas when he is asked about the ruling without sharica where he says that is kufr, and also there's narration from Ibn Mascuud of a same kind. Check out the tafsiir of Ibn Kathiir and Al Qurtubi.

Muhammad ibn AbdulWahhaab listed 10 nawaaqidul islaam, but that doesn't mean there's only ten of them. And since you brought it up, go back to it and see how many of them apply to AY and the so called gov of Somalia...

[quote="fisabililah"]assalamu a'leykum,

Murax what shuyuukh do you follow that are alive today.. i mean alive not ibn baz, utheymeen (rahimahuallah aj'm'aeen) etc..

madkhali by any chance ?.. or Ubaykaan ?..[/quote]



Bro, according to Cubeykaan, Paul Bremer was waliyul amr. So why not AY?