Is Al shabab Khariji movement?

[RebelLion]

saluhidin

Do you believe suicide bombings are halal which al shaba engage in? do you believe beheading muslim soldiers is halal? Do you believe calling other muslims murtad is right?They are extremist who believe they are the only true muslims just like the khariji's. You're a misguided kid if you don't think they are khariji.

[fagash_killer]

what has this to do with islam? how the heck can you guys compare few calooshayaal wolf in sheeps clothing fighting in the name of islam? we dont live in the dark ages of islam anymore. we live in year 2000 wake up and dont let the wahabists and their scholars still controlmind you. you are a cushite son of ham you are next to god never forget that its we who saved islam what the fuck do these ppl know about islam?

[RebelLion]

Look at these fool.
The TFG cannot be regarded as an authority under Islam.
To be regarded as the authority, they got to rule by shareeca however imperfect.

The TFG is doing the opposite, Fighting against islamic law and insisting on its "charter" made by a kenyan infidel lawyer, who was paid to write some nonsense by the UN.

al shabaab though not perfect are broadly speaking impossing shareeca law. they are far closer to be the "authority" in the somali circumstance.

The TFG was elected by somali warlords. its tennets border on kufr. so that election is null and void since it contrdicts the quran and sunnah.

The truth is that we should ask ourselves: who rules somalia? Does munaafiq and apostate abdullahi yusuf rule somalia or colonel Gebre(vassal king)?
Allah's messenger pbuh was talking about muslim ruler in a caliphate system,not democracy and surely not about ethiopian kuffar acting as vassal king.

This guy is a typical al shabab supporter calling muslims apostates This is all the prove you need, an example of why al shabab and their supporters are khariji.

[Abtiga]

My replies would be amateurish at this point seeing how brothers presented their views so eloquently.


Rebellion, Salahudin suggested you lay off islam with regards to your argument because it is a nonstarter and weakens your side of the argument. Mention Islam and the doors will be closed on you in an instant. Padishah is a cousin of A/Y(according to a member's comments written a week or so ago) by somali standards and he opposes both the man and his henchmen on moral grounds. He opposes Al-shabab as well on assumptions I fear, his stance, though not the most patriotic is nobler position than yours saxib.

A smart guy like you is not welcome in the TFG circles bro and here you are wasting your energy making a case for them traitors. I don't understand why you can't see a failure for what it is.

[Murax]

The term khawaarij came from kharaj and the meaning came from how the khawaarij leaves the millah (Religion) the way a arrow shoots out of the bow. Again the sincere 15 year old youth in Xamar who are fighting for their dignity are not the ones to blame but the ICU Asmara based criminals who use the Religion of Allah for political power moves wal yacaadu bilah. They even hold fundraisers in Al Carafah, Muzdalifah (Xajj) to raise money and then pay off mothers for their 15 year old kids to blow themselves up an act that is not allowed in Islam. In addition a lot of this money they horde they use for personal use.

Rebel Lion,

The requirements to be a Muslim Amir are three:

You either have to be chosen by the people (Shurah)
You either have to be appointed successor i.e (Abu Bakr appointing Cumar)
Or You either take power by force i.e (Banu Ummmayah)

Which requirement does AY fill? He's not an Emir that cannot be rebelled against but a mere hoodlum faction leader.

[RebelLion]

Murax

It's all about perception, Abdullahi Yusuf was elected by the somali people, the people being represented by 275 member transitional parliamentarians.

Anyways, the argument is becoming tedious and everyone has their opinion. At the end of the day, the government is a legitimate and recognized by the world.

[Salahuddiin]

RebelLion

[quote="RebelLion"]
Do you believe suicide bombings are halal which al shaba engage in? do you believe beheading muslim soldiers is halal? Do you believe calling other muslims murtad is right?They are extremist who believe they are the only true muslims just like the khariji's. You're a misguided kid if you don't think they are khariji.[/quote]

There's a difference of opinion among scholars concerning camaliyaatu istishaadiya, those who see it's allowed back up their claim with the numerous ahadeeth from the time of Prophet (scws) and ashaab about muslims throwing themselves alone to the lines of enemy knowing with certainty that they will die and their goal is to kill as many of the enemies possible, terrorize them and kindle fear to their hearts. And they were praised for this action by Prophet (scws) and his companions. Also another evidence is from the hadeeth about boy and the sorcerer, when boy told the king the way how he can kill him, so he basically killed himself for the bigger benefit, wallahu aclam. So also in this case Shabaab are following a legal opinion. And suicide bombings have nothing to do with the khawarij. I fail to see your point.

Beheadings? So are you saying beheading is haram? During most of the islamic history, beheading has been the way of killing, guns are relatively new invention. And what is islamic about these soldiers? They are killing muslims for the sake of kufr, they are willing to die and fight for taaghuut and kuffaar. Please elaborate how do you think that TFG army is an islamic army? And even if there are muslims among them, still they need to be fought against and killed until they make tawba and leave that what they are doing. Examples from the history is how Prophet (scws) treated his own uncle Abbaas who was a muslim and who was FORCED to join the kaafir army, and when he was caught, muslims treated him the same way they treated the kuffar of Quraish. Another example is how Khaalid bin Waliid killed muslims who were living among Musailima, even though they didn't even join his army. There are also numerous other examples about this issue. I challenge you to bring forth a hadeeth stating opposite.

Then other viewpoints about beheadings is that it is a way to terrorize the enemy and make them afraid, like Allah ordered in suuratul Anfaal: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to terrorize the enemies of Allah and your enemies..."

This aya is from Baqara: "If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him..." And Allah also says: "And if you punish (your enemy), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted..."
Ethios/TFG (they are one group fighting against the same people for the same cause) slit the throats of shuyuukh in Masjid al Hidaaya, they also raped many women and torture people. So in this case it's allowed to do to them what they do to the muslims. Example is how Prophet (scws) flogged, cut their feet and hands, couged the eyes out of murtad beduins who killed a muslim and then left them die to the desert. Also from this issue there are many more examples. Beheading someone doesn't make him khariji either.

About labeling people murtaddiin. They made takfeer to government and soldiers with very strong evidence from Qur'aan and Sunna. Actually it is the consensus of the scholars that some things that TFG does is plain kufr that takes it's doer out of Islam. Now refute their takfeer and point out that it's unlawful one, then we can continue about this issue.

And when did Shabaab say that everyone who is not part of them or think like them is a kaafir? I missed that. Please bring their statement where they made general takfeer to the public. Until you do that you are just a big liar.

Yes, TFG is a legal government on standards of kufr and UN. So? We are muslims, and islamically TFG is far away from being a legal government.

[Salahuddiin]

Yes, conclusion is that this claim is ridiculous and ignorant.