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Executive wrote:Padishah

Did the prophet pbuh ever perform Hadra?? And do suufis believe that there is something called Bidca??

No Executive, the Prophet (PBUH) did not perform the Hadra.

As for Innovation itself, I'm of the same opinion as Imam Shafi'i, in that there can be praiseworthy or blameworthy, depending on whether it corresponds or violates the injunctions and goals of the Shariah. I cannot, however, speak for every Sufi alive.

RebelLion wrote:ES

Are you sure you're not sufi? I'm not pro-salafi or takfiri but hadrah is bidca, have you seen how it's performed with sometimes male dancers acting like women accompanied by drums, and music. That's a mockery of islam.

where does it in islam say hadith quranic verses that forbids hadra dikirulilahi


i visited the Prophet, Allah bless and greet him, with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib) and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet, Allah bless and greet him, said to Zayd: "You are my freedman" (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the Prophet (hajala). The Prophet, Allah bless and greet him, then said to Ja`far: "You resemble me in my creation and my manners" (ashbahta khalqi wa- khuluqi), whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd. The Prophet, Allah bless and greet him, then said to me: "You are part of me and I am part of you" (anta minni wa-ana mink) whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far

Emperior, I know that Hadith. Could you post it in its entirety, as well as its reference.

RebelLion, the fact that some people abuse and misuse the Hadra in an impermissible manner does not mean that the Hadra in itself is impermissible. I can go and pray to show off to the people in the mosque, which is clear shirk. Does that mean that Prayer then becomes impermissible, or is it merely that I am doing it incorrectly, and for the wrong reasons.

Imam al-Nawawi said in his Sharh Sahih Muslim that another narration of the same hadith has: "They are those who shake or are moved at the mention or remembrance of Allah (hum al-ladhina ihtazzu fi dhikrillah)," that is, al-Nawawi comments, "They have become fervently devoted and attached to His remembrance."

Padishah wrote:Emperior, I know that Hadith. Could you post it in its entirety, as well as its reference.

RebelLion, the fact that some people abuse and misuse the Hadra in an impermissible manner does not mean that the Hadra in itself is impermissible. I can go and pray to show off to the people in the mosque, which is clear shirk. Does that mean that Prayer then becomes impermissible, or is it merely that I am doing it incorrectly, and for the wrong reasons.