Obeying the Muslim Ruler, whether you like or Not

[American Salafi]

It Obligatory for every muslim to obey the ruler whether that ruler is corrupt or not. Evidence from the Quran and Sunnah.

"O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad (PBUH)), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority.'' (4:59)

Ibn `Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "If a person notices in his ruler what he dislikes, he should show patience because he who departs from the (Muslim) community a cubit, dies like those who died in the Days of Ignorance.''[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Ibn `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said, "It is obligatory upon a Muslim to listen (to the ruler) and obey whether he likes it or not, except when he is ordered to do a sinful thing; in such case, there is no obligation to listen or to obey.''[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Ibn `Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "One who withdraws his hand from obedience (to the Amir) will find no argument (in his defense) when he stands before Allah on the Day of Resurrection; and one who dies without having sworn allegiance will die the death of one belonging to the Days of Ignorance.''[Muslim].

Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Hear and obey even if an Abyssinian slave whose head is like a raisin is placed in authority over you.''[Al-Bukhari].

Abu Bakrah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard Messenger of Allah (PBUH) saying, "He who insults the rulers Allah will insult him.''[At-Tirmidhi].

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "It is obligatory upon you to listen and obey the orders of the ruler in prosperity and adversity, whether you are willing or unwilling, or when someone is given undue preference to you.''[Muslim].

[djibsomali]

typical saudi propaganda!!!!

all the above evidence and hadith which are correct by the way is for the Emir uu muhminin.
no muslim should rebell against the Emir of muslims.

But if a muslim leader such your saudi arabia is a devient then the muslim have a rigth to overthrow.
even worse if the ruler does not pray or do not rule by the sharia then it should be replace by all means of necessary.

[American Salafi]

But if a muslim leader such your saudi arabia is a devient then the muslim have a rigth to overthrow.
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Did you read what I posted? When does becoming a deviant make it permissible to rise up against the Ruler? Subhanallah.

[djibsomali]

Ibn Abd al-Wahhab, a fundamentalist sheikh who preached religious reform, forged an alliance with a local village chief, Muhammad Ibn Saud, to overturn practices that had become prevalent among the peninsula's population. As with his ideological ancestor Ibn Taymiya, Ibn Wahhab fought Muslim rulers (ie the ottaman Emir) who he believed failed to implement a pure form of Islam. Between 1773-1819, the Saudis and the Wahhabis united to conquer the Arabian peninsula, and found the Saudi Kingdom.

[djibsomali]

SO IT IS OK FOR YOUR SALAFI SHEIKH TO OVERTHROW THE OTTAMAN EMPIRE

But not somalis to repell the tigree and their lovers?

[djibsomali]

saudi arabia sheikh will not fool anyone !!

[American Salafi]

Its clear you copied and pasted. you don't know anything about the history of our great scholar, Muhammed Ibnu Wahhab. Never did the Imaam rise up and fight against the ottomans because the Ottomans didn't control that part of the region. Yes the Imaam strived hard against the customs and innovations which became widespread but never did he fight against any Ruler.

Next time you copy and paste, verfiy it.

[djibsomali]

so who rule saudi arabia?

are you gonna tell me a kaffir ruled on makkah and medina before the saviour ie: abdu alwahab came and saved the day with his political leader the ahl saud?


look do not underestimate the muslim intelligence.
While the salafi leader can overthrow the rigthful muslim ruler of makkah and medina and replacing with the house of saud.

And prohibite the somali muslims to overthrow the tigree and their dogs

[djibsomali]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd-al-Wahhab


Upon arriving in Diriyya, a pact was made between Ibn Saud and Ibn Abd al-Wahhab, by which Ibn Saud pledged to implement Ibn Abd al-Wahhab's teachings and enforce them on neighboring towns. Beginning in the last years of the 18th century Ibn Saud and his heirs would spend the next 140 years mounting various military campaigns to seize control of Arabia and its outlying regions, finally taking control of the whole of modern day Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1922. This provided the movement with a state. Vast wealth from oil discovered in the following decades, coupled with Saudi control of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, have since provided a base and funding for Salafi missionary activity

[djibsomali]

your salafi sheikh history is posted above.

At least my sheikh sharif is much better than yours!!!!!!!!!!!

[American Salafi]

First of all, the ottomans controlled Hijaz not Najd. The shaykh was from the Najd region of saudi arabia not Hijaz. So don't get things confused. The ottomans didn't rule that part of Saudi Arabia.

It was the Ibn Saud who took over Hijaz not Muhammed Ibnu Wahhab. Ibn Saud was the ruler. So to say that Ibnu Wahhab took over Hijaz is false or that he went against the Ruler is also false.

My advise is that you increase your knowlede because the worst of people are those that argue without knowledge. Allah knows best.

[American Salafi]

You still didn't answer the question. You tried to post some nonsense and it got refuted. Where is the evidence that your allowed to go against a corrupt ruler.

[djibsomali]

do you know the nadj hadith? (where abdu walhab is from)

A people that recite Qur'an will come out of the East nadj, but it will not go past their throats. They will pass through the religion (of Islam) like the arrow passes through its quarry. They will no more come back to the religion than the arrow will come back to its course. Their sign is that they shave (their heads).


"O Allah, bless our Syria and our Yemen!" They said: "Ya Rasulallah, and our Najd!" He didn't reply. He blessed Syria and Yemen twice more. They asked him to bless Najd twice more but he didn't reply. The third time he said: "There [in Najd] are the earthquakes and the dissensions, and through it will dawn the epoch [or horn] of shaytan."



At the end of times a man will come out of Musaylima's country and he will change the religion of Islam." Note: Most of the Khawarij were from the Najd area, from the tribes of Banu Hanifa, Banu Tamim, and Wa'il. Musaylima was from the Banu Hanifa, and Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab is from Tamim.


Abu Bakr said concerning the Banu Hanifa (the tribe of Musaylima the Liar): "Their valley [Najd] will not cease to be a valley of dissensions until the end of time, and the religion will never recover from their liars until Judgment Day," and in another version: "Woe to al-Yamama without end."

[djibsomali]

but you are so blind that you will not see what even the blind could see.

[djibsomali]

You still didn't answer the question. You tried to post some nonsense and it got refuted. Where is the evidence that your allowed to go against a corrupt ruler.

what evidence did abdul wahab had?