Obeying the Muslim Ruler, whether you like or Not

[American Salafi]

Subhanallah. This is what happens when you try to debate an ignorant person. First he post some rubbish that contradicts the sunnah and now he tries to change subject.

Also the hadith of Najd doesn't not mean the same as the modern day najd of Saudi Arabia. In this hadith the prophet is speaking of Iraq. Najd back during the prophets time was concerned Iraq and east jordan.

[American Salafi]

You still didn't answer the question. You tried to post some nonsense and it got refuted. Where is the evidence that your allowed to go against a corrupt ruler.

what evidence did abdul wahab had?

We are not talking about Abdul Wahhab. You stated that the Imaam went against the Ruler and I clearly showed you that he didn't because the ottomans didn't control that region. So do you have another example or evidence to back your claim that it is allowed to go against a corrupt ruler?

[djibsomali]

that is exactly what the saudi will tell you to revoke the hadith.

look at the map:

[djibsomali]

that is not iraq!!!!!!

well the saudi will never stop amazing us.

are the gonna tell us makkah is not in saudi arabia next time?

[djibsomali]

04:46 english time!!

I shall stop here as the ramadan start from now!!

[Salahuddiin]

Forget being corrupt, these kings passed that stage looooooong time ago. What they do is open kufr. Can a kaafir rule over muslims?

And about revolting against ruler... Ottomans had at least nominal power over Najd because it ruled over Hijaz, Yemen, Ahsaa, Iraq and Shaam and taxes from amir of Najd came through these countries and this can be found from history books. And the dawa of the Shaikh entered areas that were in full control of Ottomans and they attacked Karbala and Dimashq that were without a doubt part of Ottoman state.

You should read al Durar al Saniyah to see the stance of dawa of Najd towards Ottomans.

[fisabililah]

Assalamu a'leykum,

Brothers read this by Shiekh muhammed ibn Ibraheem Al Ashaykh (rahimahuallah)

http://saaid.net/book/open.php?cat=1&book=550

Also this fatwaa from Shiekh Hamud ibn Uqla Ash shuaibi (rahimahuallah) the teacher of shiekh salih al fawzaan, shiekh abdul aziz ala shiekh amongst others.

http://saaid.net/Warathah/hmood/h31.htm

Ramadhan Mubarak, wa alaikuma salaam wa rahamatullah.

[Padishah]

To paraphrase, American Salafi, you are alleging that the Qur'an and Sunnah support and condone tyranny?

[Salahuddiin]

[quote="fisabililah"]Assalamu a'leykum,

Brothers read this by Shiekh muhammed ibn Ibraheem Al Ashaykh (rahimahuallah)

http://saaid.net/book/open.php?cat=1&book=550

Also this fatwaa from Shiekh Hamud ibn Uqla Ash shuaibi (rahimahuallah) the teacher of shiekh salih al fawzaan, shiekh abdul aziz ala shiekh amongst others.

http://saaid.net/Warathah/hmood/h31.htm

Ramadhan Mubarak, wa alaikuma salaam wa rahamatullah.[/quote]

Thanks for the links brother. Great things to read. Also I would like to add about shaikh Cuqla that he was given tazkiyah from Ibn Baaz and held him in high status.

Especially the risaala from shaikh Muhammad Ibrahim is very beneficial. He was a former mufti of Saudi-Arabia, but this letter about this issue is not sold in the country. Most probably government banned it. Nowadays everything that talks about hukm or jihad is banned because these two parts of religion are threatening to tawaghit. Just like they banned teaching al wala wal bara in country's educational system because USA asked them to.

[makumba59]

Its only obligatory if the ruler is legitimate and fairly elected .

The title fo this topic is as meaningless as the term 'Democracy'.

[mysterious girl]

there is a hadith in forty hadith kitaab, which says, we should obey our muslim rulers even if they are black slaves. am i right? is that what you saying american salafi?