Somaliweyn soo gal!

[sadeboi]

You try to coin this image of a nationalistic man, yet evident is your clannish outlook of Somalia. So, I want to know if you had the chance to sort everything out how would you solve Somalia's problem and the different factions who wish to govern the populace. Lets say the Ethiopians left, what do you wish to happen next politically/socially? Who do you wish to govern? What and how can the Somali populace unite? What is your outlook on this "Islamic" movement and what role do you think they should play? Try to be less broad and a little bit more specific, all you utter on this site is "xabashi and their followers," is the eviction of xabashi's from Somalia your only answer to everything?

[Somaliweyn]

Which Somaliweyn?

Me or Somaliweyn-Commando?

[sadeboi]

Miyaad aragtey anno walligey la hadlayo inankaas?

Waa adiga!!!

[Voltage]

Somaliweyn= A man who wants to join the civilized world but still held back by backward aspects of Somali culture.

Hopefully he will find himself later on.

[The_Emperior5]

sade boi Somali maanta nin qabil ka madhan ma jiiro wether wadaadka ugu sareeya iyo wiilka yare ak siita
bahasho laakin way kala badantahay , marka lets just hope our kids there kids way ka gudbi arimhahaas

[Somaliweyn]

I'll answer your question in detail....am at work now, so I will write it undercover

[sadeboi]

Haa emperior waa ruun.


Somaliweyn,ok bro, I await your answers.

[Somaliweyn]

I still get the damn data error. I thought this issue was solved?

Need help with that asap.

[sadeboi]

Its only like that when you paste from other websites, erase any periods commas, colons from a pasted material and use your keyboard to re-write them bro, that should work.

[Somaliweyn]

Lets us first discussion your first point. That of ''been nationalistic yet having clannish outlook''

A nationalist is one who advocates nationalism, whether it is economically, socially or politically speaking. Most definitions of nationalism involve a devotion (strong) to the interest and culture of a nation. In political terms it means that one places the interest of the nation above that of the different groups in the society of that nation.

When we look at Somalia, we can see that first of all, we are a nation since we share many things, but despite this the average Somali person does not reason on the national level when it comes to politics, economics, military etc because we are divided along different groups (clans).


In Somalia, politically, militarily, economically and even socially, the clan or other fragments (sub clans, sub-sub clans etc) are the unit which one defends and associates with. That is how our society is constructed, and has frankly been for centuries. That is also why today there is a foreign occupation of Somalia, while the different Somali groups (clans) that constitute this entity ''Somalia'' are rather preoccupied with the defense of the interest and security of the groups they associate with, most cases clan and lately other social groups like the religious group. How else can you explain the conflicts in Kismanyo/Lower Jubba, Las Canood, Sanaag, Middle Shabelle, Lower Shabelle in which large sections of Somali people are preoccupied with those events, mostly clan-conflicts, while the larger issue (Ethiopian occupation) is seen as the problem of ''those that feel the direct pain/consequences''.
Now this is the setting on the ground. And the question which should be answered is how one can take this reality in consideration yet remain nationalistic. If you closely read my writings, you can find a way of overcoming this dualism between nation and clan.

I'll try to explain this method of over bridging these two worlds of ''Somali nation'' and our respective groups which we associate with (clans, sub-clans etc etc).

After a clear understanding of this basic structure of our society, we can continue to discuss my view on the current mess in Somalia and possible solutions for these problems.

[Somaliweyn]

Thanks for the assistance. I wrote it on Microsoft Word since I cannot leave the website open for my colleagues to see. And when I copied and paste it, I got the error message.

[sadeboi]

Walaal with all due respect, I am already aware of everything you have described about the Somali social structure, and quite frankly I was politely trying to hint that your priority is "Hawiyedom" and the Hawiye populace, yet you try make it seem like you care for overall Somali populace. When its evident (from your writing) that is not your main concern nor is it the reason why you are constantly on the edge on this site about Ethiopia occupying our land and so forth. But do answer my other questions. Maybe a better understanding of your stance will arise.

[Voltage]

Somaliweyn, my interpretation of your writing is that you do not DENY what Sadeboi wrote about you but rather explained why you are the way you are?

And the question which should be answered is how one can take this reality in consideration yet remain nationalistic.

So you do not deny your views contradict Somali nationalism while you still advocate for it?

[Somaliweyn]

Be patient, and bear with me. You need first to read and understand my views before jumping into a conclusion. Perhaps you never read my writings fully and never saw the pattern which gave you a wrong conclusion of my believes. Well this is your chance to see whether that is the real me or not.

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Continuation:

A common mistake most Somalis make is that one is nationalistic when one talks about Somalis in general, and never puts clans in his reasoning or views, while also not discloses his clan in the most ideal form. Just imagine the SYL days, when a group of young men came together, looked at the problems facing all Somalis, and agreed not to disclose their clan-background and work for the nation and discard every clanist tendency whenever it arises in order to eventually defeat the clannism that has kept Somalis in backwardness. This is not nationalism in my eyes, it is just looking the other way instead of facing the problem, it does not address the real problem: clannism but rather tries to deny its existence by never mentioning or talking about it. This was a grave mistake SYL men made since they forgot that 80-90% of Somalis lived in the rural areas, were mostly illiterate, and lived mostly the same for centuries. Only less than 10% lived in urban areas and were in one way or the other exposed to foreign idea's, which did not even transform the mentality and culture of these urban Somalis. Even these urban Somalis displayed their pastoral culture in many ways, and clannism was one of those ways.

That was then, imagine how worse the situation is post-1991

[Somaliweyn]

So you do not deny your views contradict Somali nationalism while you still advocate for it?

Voltage,

My views do not contradict Somali nationalism, but can be considered as pragmatic Somali nationalism in contrast to the SYL-idealist Somali nationalism, were one closed its eyes, mouths and ears from the ugly monster of clan.