Kolombo wrote:Student,
Which weighs more; a verse from the Qur'an or a misused hadith?
Sh. Ibn Baaz (raheemullah) was asked: "What are the actions that if a Muslim does will make him an apostate?"
His response: Supporting the mushrikeen & kuffaar and helping them against the Muslims. The evidence for that is the verse in al-maa'idah #51.
"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa (
friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)"
[al-Maa'idah 5:51]
Source:
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/31807/mo ... the%20dead
Refute it, if you dare.
Rambo you more ignorant about the Deen than I thought!
We should not debate over the Qur'an as its the speech of Allah and Book which is free from all discrepancies. Returning to your evidence, you keep on bouncing from one issue to another with out understanding the first one - No surprise there as all those who make Takfeer on Rulers, base their argument on their indivitual emotional understanding of the religion. typical!
Less make this clear, I'm not trying to proof to you my small knowledge of the Deen and as my name indicates, that I'm student and not scholar. but unlike takfeerees who throw scholarly Fatwas left, right and center.
However, your evidence clears out few issues; meaning you are actually declaring, the waring parties who gets their support from the Christian government of Ethiopia (i.e TFG) and the Christian Government of Eretrea (i.e Mr Dahir aweys) will fall in to the category as they are both friends with none-Muslim governments.
"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)" [al-Maa'idah 5:51]
The point you want to highlight here is taking the kufar as friends, (like TFG and Asmara crew) if we take your understanding they become one of them i.e Kafir? right! Therefore, basing the same argument, we can apply to the other Muslims masses. The result would be taking out many Muslims in the Muslim world out of Islam, those who are indulging in similar and Major kufr, as you see it;
Such of those who resemble the Kufar in their Dress, walk, every thing, they will be out of the fold of Islam - based on this understanding of been a major kufr, because:
The Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) said, "Whoever resembles a people is one of them." (Recorded by Abu Dawud)
Another Hadith also indicates killing of a Muslim is Kufr;
The Messenger SallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam - said: "Cursing a Muslim is fassooq (sinful) and killing him is kufr." (Saheeh Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim)
With your logic of interpreting these source of evidences, many Somalis who were killing each other for the past 17 years are kufar? In this issue, many similar examples can be given.
If you sincere I can Insha Allah educate you in this. So with regards of the Kufr mentioned in these text, Scholars have differentiated in two types; Major Kufr, and Minor Kufr, of Action but not a believe. i.e meaning the person with pride or revenge, or the love of the Dunia or forced to do these evil actions, while his heart is at rest in Islam and he knows he is going against the Sharia. The like of this person is Muslim and our duty will be to remind him the Deen and guide him to the Truth. The one who believes his actions are Halal for him then this one becomes a Kafir, but we let those who have knowledge to give him Da'wa and declare his situation to us.
So kolombo - Insha Allah this is your home-work find out and learn the explanation of the following verse, how the salaf understood it. Since its very much relevant to the Topic and usage of different terminology is applied like "wrong- doers." Insha Allah find out how one verse can be interpreted to another verse, which is given priority when it comes to Tafseer.
Allah (swt) said: [Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)
When it comes to the situation where a Muslim i.e leader doing these actions then, there are etiquette of dealing with it shown as in many sources from the Qu'ran and Sunnah. (see above Ahadith)
Not enough time, Insha Allah!
and go, find a more friendly forum that will suit your Weydhaqaday jokes. You brother SS 
