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besides being the victims, which is almost always the case, how much of Somalia's demise can we as women own up to?...this is a question i find a lot of Somali women are not willing to answer fairly.

i got into a word match with this xalimo here in T.dot who advocates for woman's rights in Somalia. she is very heavy on playing the victim part...while i don't oppose that, i also told her that Somali women in their entirety cannot be pardoned from the calamity by simply citing its the men that caused this and not us...she nearly bit my head off for making that statement. i said if the women are content with their men committing atrocities, they too share in the ramifications that ensues, and i used her as an example because she supports TFG government....and then she accused me of guilt by association, because she didn't personally kill anyone herself and that it was poor judgment on my part to indict innocent women like herself.

i don't get it, why do Somali women disengage themselves from problems back home as if only men caused it? and yet at the same time support those very men causing the "problems"

Women were involved in the war:

1. Fundraisers
2. Cooked and fed the warring groups
3. Released Buranbur Mix Tapes
4. Embarrassed Men who didn't join the fight, calling them cowards

hoorta what does TFG stand for>?

Anab,

TFG - Totally Fine Girls

abdi@lol

AbdiWahab252 wrote:Women were involved in the war:

1. Fundraisers
2. Cooked and fed the warring groups
3. Released Buranbur Mix Tapes
4. Embarrassed Men who didn't join the fight, calling them cowards

so would u classify that as "direct" involvement in the conflict...or this is simply guilt by association if any wrong doing is alleged on women's part?

Zulaika,

They were active participants. They helped equip and ensure these wars were fought.

Anab wrote: hoorta what does TFG stand for>?

Transitional Foreign Government.

Z i do understan what you coming from in a way, but you have to remember the cause of the problem in the first place.
its wasnt women who decided to take USA's side over USSR.
it wasnt women who join the proxy war
it wasnt women who got somalia into debt, so much that now we are practically owned by the West!!
it wasnt women who handed our ports to galo,
its wasnt women who dragged fathers, sons, and innocent menout of their homes, so they could be killed, because SB said so.
it wasnt women who raped and killed anyone and everyone they got their hands on.
it wasnt women who burned houses, schools, mosques because the other qabiil owns it. or my favourite one, because the Faqash are coming to take whats theirs.
it wasnt women who still run around with guns and boms in our capital city.
it wasnt EVEN a women who decided all the women in muqdhiso should join the "holy" war and gave innocent girls, and mothers guns and parade them around in the city as peice of objects.(the whole world saw the infamouse pictures, and still im asked about 'em as if i was there )

so you see, women are truelly the victims, esp. in the situation in somalia!

AbuShabab wrote:

Anab wrote: hoorta what does TFG stand for>?

Transitional Foreign Government.

lol it means:
Transitional Federal Government.

I don't think there is any point in playing the blame game
In sayin that though, its quite obvious its the men's fault. Niman rag hadaa la waayo ma dumarkii baa rag u noqonaayo?

Zuli,

If it wasn't Xaliimo, farah wouldn't have taken this civil skirmishes to this level. I remember when USC chased the Faqash from Mog and environs, there weren't any preparations of counter attack, Faqash were either scared of what they have seen in Mog or they were using their heads and waiting for what the Hawiye will do next (i.e. if they would form a gov), However, Xaliimo was not happy with farah restraining himself. They vowed that any Farah who doesn't particpate in a counter attack would never get a koochie cause he is a member of the Xaliimo circle (composed some Buraanbur about that) . As if that was not enough, they took an oath that they will strip in the streets of Kismayo and walk naked, some actually did (I witnessed some ugly Xaliimo baruur flapping on the streets of my town), that is when the Faqash men scratched their balls and took their guns.

So Xaliimo is the A and Z of the civil war

Sir-Luggoyo wrote:Zuli,

If it wasn't Xaliimo, farah wouldn't have taken this civil skirmishes to this level. I remember when USC chased the Faqash from Mog and environs, there weren't any preparations of counter attack, Faqash were either scared of what they have seen in Mog or they were using their heads and waiting for what the Hawiye will do next (i.e. if they would form a gov), However, Xaliimo was not happy with farah restraining himself. They vowed that any Farah who doesn't particpate in a counter attack would never get a koochie cause he is a member of the Xaliimo circle (composed some Buraanbur about that) . As if that was not enough, they took an oath that they will strip in the streets of Kismayo and walk naked, some actually did (I witnessed some ugly Xaliimo baruur flapping on the streets of my town), that is when the Faqash men scratched their balls and took their guns.

So Xaliimo is the A and Z of the civil war

acuudu-bilaah waxaasi ilaahay ima tuso,,

good example would be xaliima qaliif magool.

laakiin kaligeed ma aheen dumarka oo dhan ayaa kawada mid ahaa naag walba qabiilkeeda ayey hiilisay.

he biggest mujrims are often those that are in the front, advocating "human/women rights" and so on

Sir-Luggoyo wrote:Zuli,

If it wasn't Xaliimo, farah wouldn't have taken this civil skirmishes to this level. I remember when USC chased the Faqash from Mog and environs, there weren't any preparations of counter attack, Faqash were either scared of what they have seen in Mog or they were using their heads and waiting for what the Hawiye will do next (i.e. if they would form a gov), However, Xaliimo was not happy with farah restraining himself. They vowed that any Farah who doesn't particpate in a counter attack would never get a koochie cause he is a member of the Xaliimo circle (composed some Buraanbur about that) . As if that was not enough, they took an oath that they will strip in the streets of Kismayo and walk naked, some actually did (I witnessed some ugly Xaliimo baruur flapping on the streets of my town), that is when the Faqash men scratched their balls and took their guns.

So Xaliimo is the A and Z of the civil war

waryaa the premise of this topic was to examine the extent of Somali women's involvement in the conflict and their willingness to admit that involvement.... what you're doing is curbing all charges to xalimo corners. you are no different than the woman i was talking to who was basically blaming everything on the faraxs.