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SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Gacalisa » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:17 pm

Su'aal???

First of all social inequality is universal and it exists in very single society no matter how small. In considering the fact its universal and that in each society the more powerful control everyone else, isn't also true that the poor will always be poor and that the rich will always be rich. Yes! the individucal can can work hard and finally make it to the higher class, but isnt true that society as a whole will always stay the same, and the over all structure of classes and thier relations will remain unchanged???

My friends tend to be very idealistic and believe that in a few years the world could be utopia in that the both races blacks and whites will grow to have the same stature!!!

realistically speaking, I say the rich will grow rich and the poor will grow poor! and white people will always be a step ahead of us!!! is this not true or theoratically correct???

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Jamac_Yare » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:22 pm

only if proper islamic shaariah is implemented then shall there be change
otherwise it will stay as u said above if not get worse

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby NoAngst. » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:36 pm

Building egalitarian society is political choice countries make. Societies can choose not only whether to be egalitarian or not but to what extent. I recently saw a report published by the UN about the most equal/unequal cities. You wouldn't believe me if I told you Beijing was first or top 5 while New York, New Orleans and London were among least unequal. How come Beijing has less inequality than London or New York?

There's nothing inevitable about social inequality. In Japan, an engineer makes about the same salary as McDonald worker. The implication of this is that you won't find many luxury stores in Japan compared to other countries of similar income. Instead, Japanese buy from their own companies who don't tend to produce luxury goods since there aren't many super rich Japanese. How many Japanese you see in Forbes Billionaire list? Not many. To give another illustration, the CEO of Toyota -- the most successful car maker in the world -- makes under 1 million while his counterpart, the CEO of General Motors -- a company going to the dumps faster than you can say GM -- makes over 8 million.

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby QansaGabeyle » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:45 pm

In Japan, an engineer makes about the same salary as McDonald worker.
What would make someone go to college and study engineering then? Is it forced upon them? :?

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby NoAngst. » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:18 pm

In Japan, an engineer makes about the same salary as McDonald worker.
What would make someone go to college and study engineering then? Is it forced upon them? :?
In Japan young students aspire to work in the public sector even though it pays less. Working for the common good is ingrained social mores in Japan. And yes, it it legislated that McDonald worker and engineer earn about the same wage. But think of why? When everyone earns about the same wage, they consume similar goods. It was developmental strategy of post-war Japan.

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Padishah » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:13 am

The most desirable outcome would be the largest Middle Class possible. Forced redistribution is not the answer to the problem of poverty.

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Voltage » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:32 am

Zulaika. I agree with you to a good degree. I think the reality is there always will be a poor, majority lower class divided into various economic sub-categories internally beginning with a somewhat contained (lower) middle class and then there is always going to be a polar opposite supremely wealthy micro-minority controlling the vast resources of any one or more economies, at least in so far as capitalism and the globalizing corporate world we are headed into is primarily concerned. I think it is the nature of things in this dog eat dog neo-liberal international economy we are part especially beginning with the last half-century and marching on in full force to this beginning century. But the idea that this viewpoint is evident in all and any which society irrespective of size is rather true. One testament to this self-evident fact is the concept of Zakaa ingrained into the moral character of our religion as highlighted by its position as a member of arkaanul Musliim, or the 5 foundations. The question one can juxtapose from the importance of Zakaa is fairly along the lines of "Does Allah (swt) expect a large and disenfranchised economic group to exist" and if so "can it be called a thing of the naturally ordained for humanity". Also does it not imply, just by the existence of Zakaa, that by the Divine's own reckoning the personal top cannot be trusted to look out for the personal bottom's interests? Telling questions you see and when analyzed further proofs human understanding and realization of the universal central existence of a disenfranchised economic group to exist. I am afraid society just cannot function without a fairly large and capable lower class and this is a thing of nature.

Now what is debatable is the position that any one or more people (s) is destined to function as that lower class or the position that one can or cannot rise from the lower to the higher class.

Essentially a lower class will exist, is destined to exist but to whom shall the positions among its ranks owe gratitude to (a pinch of irony in this case) and is there an opportunity for promotion from soldier to officer rank?

THat is a question about a collective look at human injustice, the natural orders of the human system, as well as critical analyzation of humans as individuals and the opportunities provided to them to rise far and above the positions they are born into.
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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Shankaroon_614 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:42 am

Did he just call Gacalisa Zulikha?

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Voltage » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:44 am

I always mistake the two.

Also SHanka, I am Voltage, why the need to address me as the third person?

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Shankaroon_614 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:03 am

It was kinda like "oh no he di'int!" get it...


I grew up with madow people..


:lol:

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Voltage » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:49 am

Miyaa :P

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Sir-Luggoyo » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:02 am

I like the Kalahari Bushmen social structure, there is absolutely no class, everyone is on the same level as everyone else. It is customary if someone hunts down a bull as big and fat as an elephant, that he would announce that he killed a mere skinny scrawny bull and would like to share it with everyone if possible. If he boasts about the size of the bull, it will ignite competition which will result individuality, which will result classification and then lead to the crumble of the society as a unit.

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Voltage » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:14 am

Kalahari also live the primordial lifestyle of hunting and gathering, without the presence of religion and civilization. :lol:

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby FAH1223 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:19 am

Growing inequality in US cities could lead to widespread social unrest and increased mortality, says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
In a survey of 120 major cities, New York was found to be the ninth most unequal in the world and Atlanta, New Orleans, Washington, and Miami had similar inequality levels to those of Nairobi, Kenya Abidjan and Ivory Coast. Many were above an internationally recognised acceptable "alert" line used to warn governments.
"High levels of inequality can lead to negative social, economic and political consequences that have a destabilising effect on societies," said the report. "[They] create social and political fractures that can develop into social unrest and insecurity."
According to the annual State of the World's cities report from UN-Habitat, race is one of the most important factors determining levels of inequality in the US and Canada.
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries," it said.
Disparities of wealth were measured on the "Gini co-efficient", an internationally recognised measure usually only applied to the wealth of countries. The higher the level, the more wealth is concentrated in the hands of fewer people.
"It is clear that social tension comes from inequality. The trickle down theory [that wealth starts with the rich] has not delivered. Inequality is not good for anybody," said Anna Tibaijuka, head of UN-Habitat, in London yesterday.
The report found that India was becoming more unequal as a direct result of economic liberalisation and globalisation, and that the most unequal cities were in South Africa and Namibia and Latin America. "The cumulative effect of unequal distribution [of wealth] has been a deep and lasting division between rich and poor. Trade liberalisation did not bring about the expected benefits."
The report suggested that Beijing was now the most egalitarian city in the world, just ahead of cities such as Jakarta in Indonesia and Dire Dawa in Ethiopia.
In Europe, which was generally more egalitarian than other continents, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands and Slovenia were classed as the most equal countries with Greece, the UK and Spain among the least. "Disparities are particularly significant in the cities of eastern Europe, larger Spanish cities and in the north of England," it said.
It documents the seemingly unstoppable move of people away from rural to urban areas. This year it is believed that the number of people living in urban areas exceeded those in the countryside for the first time ever, but the report says there is no sign of the trend slowing.
"The dramatic transition between rural and urban communities is not over. Urbanisation levels will rise dramatically in the next 40 years to reach 70% by 2050," it predicts.
The most dramatic urbanisation has been taking place in China, with many millions of people moving from the countryside to cities. The report says 49 new cities have been built in the past 18 years. The rapid transition to an urban society has brought great wealth but also many negative results.
"China has attained some of the deepest disparities in the world with urban incomes three times those in rural areas. Inequalities are growing, with disproportionate rewards for the most skilled workers ... and serious problems for the unemployed and informal workers."
Urban growth rates are highest in the developing world, which absorbs an average 5 million new urban residents a month and is responsible for 95% of world urban growth. The report predicts that Asian cities will grow the most in the next 40 years and could have 63% of the world urban population by 2050.
Tokyo is expected to remain the world's largest mega city, with 36.4m people by 2025. But Mexico City, New York, and Sao Paulo could give way in the league table to Mumbai, Delhi and Dhaka. Kinshasa and Lagos are the two African cities expected to grow the most, with each adding more than 6 million people by 2025.
Rather than countryside to city movement, which has marked rapid population growth in the last 40 years, the UN expects more people to move from city to city.
Capital cities in particular are attracting much more of countries' investments and are growing fast. Some are becoming home to nearly half a country's population.
But the report also identified what it believes is the emergence of a new urban trend, with many cities now shrinking in size. The populations of 46 countries, including Germany, Italy, Japan and most former soviet states, are expected to be smaller in 2050 than they are now, and in the past 30 years, says the report, more cities in the developed world have shrunk than grown.
It found that 49 cities in the UK, including Liverpool and other old industrial centres in the north of England, and 100 in Russia reduced in size between 1990 and 2000, mainly because of unemployment. In the US 39 cities are smaller now than they were 10 years ago.
The reasons for the decline of cities was mostly economic, but the report says that the environment is now an important factor.
Air quality and pollution from mines, power plants and oil exploration have been responsible for population losses in India, Mexico and Africa, it says. "Cities tend to struggle most with health-threatening environmental issues, such as the lack of safe water, sanitation and waste."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oc ... ban-growth
http://www.unhabitat.org/content.asp?ci ... ubMenuId=0

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Re: SOCIAL INEQUALITY!!!.....

Postby Addoow » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:28 am

It hard to find a cure for social inequality and it has been there for ages.
there is a differenc between social inequality and economic inequality.economic inequality is linked to the unequal distribution of wealth.
every one can raise to the upper class -upward mobility- if some factors are found!
the most important one being educationyour educational background will play a major role in increasing your income,social class and your rapid Upward Mobility.!
other factors include talent,workhabits,Moblity oriented behavior and luck.!
It is must be stressed that upward social mobility is hard to achieve with out education,even some low paid jobs demand that you do simple arithmetics.!
lowpaid jobs are associated with those people who has no or few educational background.!
the Famous Motto "The Richer Gets Richer while the Poor Gets Babies" is due to the Birth rate difference B/w the socially Upward class and the socially Downward Class that is the increase of birth rates among the lower classes [who usually plunge into the poverty line] and contrasting decrease of birth rates in Upper class.


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