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Jamac_Yare wrote:wats diff between neo salafi and a salafi![]()
have you forgotten the hadith of the prophet saying do not overthrow a ruler even if he is unjust and oppressive as long he establishes prayer.

The difficulty comes in identifying the right leader or group. The U.S. could discretely fund mainstream Salafi figures like Madkhali who are effective in siphoning off support from jihadis and who do not advocate violence (e.g. by paying for publications, lectures, new schools). This will be effective in the short term, but it further strengthens the dehumanizing Salafi ideology from which the jihadi movement derives much of its inspiration. The U.S. could also fund non-Salafis, but it currently lacks the expertise necessary to determine who is truly influential. Perhaps a better strategy in the near term would be to pressure Middle Eastern governments to allow greater political participation and visibility for groups that jihadis are threatened by. This approach should vary from country to country. For example, in Egypt, it would be the Muslim Brotherhood; in Saudi Arabia, the Shi’a. Again, it is essential that the U.S. hand not be seen.

Somali-Star wrote:Jamac_Yare wrote:wats diff between neo salafi and a salafi![]()
have you forgotten the hadith of the prophet saying do not overthrow a ruler even if he is unjust and oppressive as long he establishes prayer.
right... but the ruler has to rule with sharia/islam, too. do you see any islamic country today? no, right?
neo-salafi = fake salafis.
as-salaf = only the first three generations.

Jamac_Yare wrote:Somali-Star wrote:Jamac_Yare wrote:wats diff between neo salafi and a salafi![]()
have you forgotten the hadith of the prophet saying do not overthrow a ruler even if he is unjust and oppressive as long he establishes prayer.
right... but the ruler has to rule with sharia/islam, too. do you see any islamic country today? no, right?
neo-salafi = fake salafis.
as-salaf = only the first three generations.
so are you calling the followers of sheik uthaymeen, albani, ibn baz neo salafis?
i do agree with you that there are ppl that say they are salafi but dont act upon salafiyah and may do that for their personal gains etc
but even if the ruler doenst rule with the proper shariah as long he establishes prayer you cant overthrow him or incite ppl to overthrow him for tht is the traits of the khawariij.
in the times of some of the salaf there were bad rulers even though the ruler did some good like capture more land 4 the muslims he wasnt a fair ruler. the salaf of that time never overthrew him.

Somali-Star wrote:
to be honest with you, ibn baz did a disgraceful thing by covering for his masters (house of saud), using islam to do it. really regrettable considering how knowledgably the sheikh (AUN) was.
all current regimes in the muslim world are secular and anti-islam in nature - not any better than the monglos were. so, the isamic thing to do is - overthrow them all!

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