I dare 2 say Ahmed Gurey was not Somali

[admin]

No matter how much u think he was..
No matter what your grand daddy told u...
the guy was qat chewing yemeni.

If you read the book, Conquering Abyssinia i mean between the lines, this man was NOT Somali. He was Arab, probably Yemeni. The evidence is in my car's glove compartment. He was a great leader because he used to listen to his peers and make decisions by what the majority wanted.

One time the author of the book says "All Muslims AND Somali tribes" as if Somalis were not real Muslims @ that time.

[kambuli]

Yaan Afku ku qaloocan

Did you read Futuuxal Xabasha, is that where you concluded that he was not Somali?

Ahmed Gurey is one of the few inspiring figures that Somalis had so..Let it be..He is Somali...Let every clan claim..

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

No matter how much u think he was..
No matter what your grand daddy told u...
the guy was qat chewing yemeni.

If you read the Conquering Abyssinia, i mean between the lines, this man was NOT Somali. He was Arab, probably Yemeni. The evidence is in my car's glove compartment. He was a great leader because he used to listen to his peers and make decisions by what the majority wanted.

One time the author of the book says "All Muslims AND Somali tribes" as if Somalis were not real Muslims @ that time.

now u made ur self target,,,all the ahlu suna wal sade will attack u in 5 min....

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Ahmed Gurey was HUTU
All others please burn yourself

[admin]

kambuli, yep, I read the book and I am planning to re-read it again.

On one occasion in the middle of Ethiopia, somalis had a meeting behind his back and decided to go back to Somalia. They said let's tell him we are going back and if he refuses we'll just run away. The problem was that if he let somalis go, he'd have to go back to his region too because somalis were the bulk of his army. one of the people who were in that meeting
went to Gurey and told him about the plot. He outsmarted them by telling everyone to dump everything they have been looting all these months including hundreds and hundreds of horses (today's Lamborghini), uncountable number of slaves, gold, silver, etc. He told the whole army to dump everything or he'll behead anyone who refuses his orders. Somalis had to stick around at least for now. At another time, he lost 3,000 somalis in one battle. I think our population would be much larger today if we hadn't lost 3000 men in one day 500 years ago.

Diyeshe/hutu, the guy who wrote this book was an eye-witness.

[The_Emperior5]

we know that the guys name was

axmed iebrahien al ghazi , but he had a black mother adari . from harrar thats where somalis claim he was somali because his mother was adari.
Laakin he was a arab axmed ierbahien al ghazii. somalidu name him gurray.

Ninkaasii xaqu diin iyo bay isku qolo ahayeen.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

aniga jiritaanka ahmed guray ayaaba shaki iga jiraa ,,let alone whether he is somali or arab,,,

[Cawar]

Admin, I argued fiercely about this fact few yrs ago..back then when the forum was all about great debates and clashing points..of course all in a civil way.

But I never bothered since..and the fact that few kids who arent well read arguing about his qabil and other non relevant issues didnt help either.

Simple fact.. despite all the other evidences ad giveaways ...which somali leader was named Imaam Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Gaazi at the time???? or any arabic sounding name? none I believe.
PS. I just opened a bandora's box again..lets wait for those who would say the name is not sufficient enough eevidence about his Arabness.

[sadeboi]

Admin you have not presented any real argument, you simply stated your mere opinion and thats all great for you.

Cawar, such a ludicrous argument, can you read me that name?

[Starscream]

I don't know what the hell he was, but he wasn't a Somali like us, that's for sure. Probably Harari or something.

[Cawar]

Lol@Sadeboi.

Most of the Sade members here deeply believe in him being MR..I dont know wether its just what your parents told you ..and I am not belittling your research and effort to bring some "evidence"..at all.., but this is more of a conviction that mere science and/or evidence for you guys.and I have observed you for quite sometime now..esp. you and Voltage.

By the mere mention of him not only being somali, but MR offends you guys.

BTW..I cant see the image..all it says is "image".

[Mataan_Ciideed]

I don't think you could prove his non somaliness by his mere name, cause al ghaazi is a nickname meaning the conquerer, and the sayid use to refer to himself as muxamad binu cabdallah in many of his letters.

but what makes me doubt his somaliness at times, is the confusion about his clan. the kacaan government officially declared that axmed gurey was harle koombe of the daarood clan, but then i've met many daarood who claim that the great imaam was garre koombe, and then we have the hawiye who would swear to you that he was karanle hawiye, and the sade who would say "walaahi bilaahi talaahi he was one of us".

[admin]

Sade, Some of the evidences I have include:
1- one his followers became very close to him because he spoke fluent Arabic (this tells u Ahmed's mother tongue was Arabic)
2- Some warlords grabbed power from him at one point and they said if he agrees we'll deport him to Any ARAB country he wants.
3- The author regards Somalis as "they" as if they were not in the inner circle. The few Somalis in the top group are always referred as hebel, the somali.
4- When describing Somalis, he never mentioned any connection with Gurey.
The list goes and goes.

The only one way to solve this is to get hold of his or his descendant's DNA.

[kambuli]

Maybe the Algaasi came from the word "Geesi"!

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

ma daacad ayey kaa tahay waxaasi,,i can see dad baad ku xumaynaysaa hadalkaas,loool al-geesi