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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Shilling » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:53 pm

Voltage,

I don't see the reason in a opposing a man just because as you suggested "he left Asmara for Djibouti; or he now wears a suit instead of khameez; or a koofi barawani instead of cimaamad," yes all that are irrelevant and really just stupid. May be I can't read between the lines but that's your call, next time though give us something other then your petty thinking, something tangible. Take me for instance, as much as I like to see the on-going talks in Djibouti succeed I'm oppose to it not because the good Sheikh Sharif shaved his beard to flatter the unbelievers there, but because it is filled by those who claim a monopoly on representing our voices.

Indeed, the warlord era is something of the past with the exceptions of AW's, TL's, and your uncle who are still seeking help from Ethiopia. True, Ethiopia is gone but with the likes of them Ethiopia's direct interference in the politics and security of Somalia will not cease.

The good Sheikh, indeed, is a breathe of fresh air and with his knowledge of Islam, I have no doubt he will do well. The task before him though is enormous as GO editorial beautifully puts, "Ethiopia's withdrawal from Mogadishu presents an opportunity to bring peace to the capital, which is a vital step towards the creation of a viable national government that is independent and effective. Secondly, foreign interference in Somali affairs must be limited to allow native political actors time for genuine consultation, compromise and decisions on the future direction of this war-ravaged Horn of Africa country. Thirdly, before stable areas like Puntland or Somaliland are mentioned, a political solution must end the conflict in the south-central regions, where rival Islamist factions now hold power and are competing for influence."

Is the good Sheikh taking all the right steps so far? In my opinion that has yet to be seen, if the man is really genuine about restoring a lasting peace in Somalia then how do you explain what's happing in Djibouti today. For starters, an oversized parliament with 550 MPs will not function in Somalia. Secondly, the composition of the TFG Parliament sought clan balance by allowing various clans to appoint delegates. However, the Djibouti Agreement permits the ARS faction to unilaterally appoint 200 MPs to expand the new parliament. Of course, this presents a challenge to clans who know that the ARS is primarily dominated by Hawiye politicians.

As GO editorial puts it, "This is Mogadishu's moment – not a time for a new president or an oversized parliament. A historic moment like this happened before, in 1991, as Gen. Barre's Darod-dominated regime was violently chased out of the capital by Hawiye clan militias. The Hawiye leaders – at the time, Gen. Mohamed Farah Aideed and Mr. Ali Mahdi – became divided after Somalia's first peace conference in Djibouti elected Mahdi as president. Gen. Aideed, using Habar Gedir sub-clan militia, declared war on Mahdi's Abgal sub-clan, plunging Mogadishu into 16 years of intra-Hawiye violence that ended recently with the rise of the Islamic Courts.

If Abdullahi Yusuf was another Darod tyrant, he is now gone and is no longer an "obstacle to peace." If Ethiopian troops were the only problem, they have now returned to their own land after learning an important lesson in Somalia. If Mogadishu does not seize this historic moment, and uses its time and resources on electing a new president with no authority, the future will largely look like the past – only this time, there will be Islamist fighters instead of clan militia.

That is no progress at all."

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Voltage » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:21 pm

Well I am glad to see you have joined the civilized world and express rational thought after all these times. But I must say your cynicism is not warranted. However we shall see. I don't plan to "prophesize" what is to come but one thing I do know, and expressed in that topic, is the fact we now have a golden opportunity and Somalia, at its present situation, really has changed for the best. Still I am mindful of the grim near future we could possibly face and it is also why I endorsed Shiekh Sharif to take power. I believe he is the man who can best navigate the rough seas ahead.

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Somaliman50 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:42 pm

Shilling, you said it all :up:

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby King-of-Awdal » Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:47 pm

We got a Call Today from Djibouti and even though we have no say and dont get to Vote in Somali Affairs almost the entire country of Djibouti is rooting for Sheik Sharif maybe before we know it our own OMar seat will be in Trouble. My Opinion out of all the people in that List, he is the best of them. I Might be wrong but this time maybe the first time in 20 years somalia will have a non warlord president. :shock:

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby FAH1223 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:21 pm

King-of-Awdal wrote:We got a Call Today from Djibouti and even though we have no say and dont get to Vote in Somali Affairs almost the entire country of Djibouti is rooting for Sheik Sharif maybe before we know it our own OMar seat will be in Trouble. My Opinion out of all the people in that List, he is the best of them. I Might be wrong but this time maybe the first time in 20 years somalia will have a non warlord president. :shock:


:lol: :lol:

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Goljano Lion » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:50 pm

May peace come to the Hutus atlast...............................2009

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Basra- » Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:27 pm

:roll: Shilling and Voltage-- could the two of you be the last standing somali loyalist slash nationalist? Both of ya-- bleed with concern and cry for somalia. Both of ya are the epitome of PC War lordists, fighting for the peace and prosperity of somalia. As you all type away, taking a break to sip your warm, coffee in a beautiful, rare china cups, you sit, type and enounciate your bravado with a precision of cowardice mixed with genuine country caring xaawashi. Somalia is not for the better today. It is for the worst. Millions have died--- which is not necessarily a bad thing. It helps my cause, Depopulation. 8-) But million of children have starved and continue to starve. An entire generation growing up without knowing how to read or even sign their own name. An entire generation brought up in the chaos of war and blood and that familiar smell of decaying dead somali bodies on the streets of the horn of africa.Somalia has not changed for the better. And no ethiopian troop leaving somalia will fix anything. No abdulahi yusuf resigning respectfully and democractically will fix it. These wadaads- i wish the best with all my heart[-- but i do feel it will be in vain. I know Somalis. They are undisciplined, unruly animals without moral, guidance or creed. They have a poisonous disease called-- qabilism. Somalia will not be peaceful for another 50 years i predict. Therefore, meanwhile-- may i suggest to shilling and voltage to abandon their dream and spare us this long wishy washy editorial of Obama era idealism and wishful dramatist fairy tales. I would humbly employ you to embrace your country of refugeee status adoptee-- and begin to live. Forget about your birth country. Somalia is dead. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Shilling » Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:49 am

Voltage,

Judging from your past I am glad too that you've come a long way, you've jump ships once too many so I take your criticism as a complement. My stand has always been any government is better then no government, I think I'm one of the few in this joint that continue to support the TFG since its inception. The fact is, in the last two decades Somalia's history has been very embarrassing and these embarrassments were mainly caused by the so-called Somali leaders from the two culprit clans, the Hawiye and the Darod. On several occasions politicians from members of these two clans have shown an irrational unwillingness to resolve the continuing crises in the country and this newly baptized agreement in Djibouti already seems to have divided them yet again.

With that said, I too hope the good Sheikh can bring about a lasting peace, but at the speed in which things are going right now, I doubt if he is even genuine about a lasting peace since he has yet to address issues that have already raised few eyebrows. The good Sheikh it seems is among hungry hyenas ready to shift the country's future to further their agenda and that is what concerns me the most. If those in the decision making can't foresee the danger here, I have no doubt it'll be same-old-same.

I don't mean to kill anyone's hope here, but as someone said it, "The Djibouti agreement is a fiasco for all groups involved including the UN since it seems ordinary Somalis voices aren't given much consideration.

For Somali politicians the on-going talks in Djibouti is a victory as it will allow them to stay in free hotels for many months to come. For the UN and Djibouti government, it is way of collecting large portions of the money designated for expenses of the process and for the Somali people; it is additional death sentences condemned to thousands of its citizens. It is often said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and always expecting different results."

Insanity or not though, it seems ordinary Somalis have no choice, they never had, so I wish the best for whoever is selected whether it be the good Sheikh or not; and for heaven sakes stop with your "your cynicism is not warranted," it is that sort of mentality that puts ordinary Somalis at a disadvantage when it comes to having a say in their country's future.

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Shilling » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:20 pm

Basra,

I must say if our leaders had your kind of approach to life I think Somalia's problems could have been solved long time ago; for the short while I've been in this joint you've been offended once too many and not once have I ever witness you losing your cool and truth be told I envy you for that, I think all of us do. You have a rare gift sis and may you long keep your cool headedness.

Indeed, you've raised couple of good points and your prediction I think is understandable given the many spoilers messing it up for the rest of us time and time again, despite that however, I don't think Somalis can offered to lose hope. Insha'Allah will see what the future holds for Somalia and with Allah's grace I know Somalis will get their act together if not now in the near future I hope.
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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Shirib » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:22 pm

King-of-Awdal wrote:We got a Call Today from Djibouti and even though we have no say and dont get to Vote in Somali Affairs almost the entire country of Djibouti is rooting for Sheik Sharif maybe before we know it our own OMar seat will be in Trouble. My Opinion out of all the people in that List, he is the best of them. I Might be wrong but this time maybe the first time in 20 years somalia will have a non warlord president. :shock:


Your wrong, again, as usual. AbdiQasim wasn't a warlord

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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best

Postby Basra- » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:45 pm

[quote="Shilling"]Basra,

I must say if our leaders had your kind of approach to life I think Somalia's problems could have been solved long time ago; for the short while I've been in this joint you've been offended once too many and not once have I ever witness you losing your cool and truth be told I envy you for that, I think all of us do. You have a rare gift sis and may you long keep your cool headedness.

Indeed, you've raised couple of good points and your prediction I think is understandable given the many spoilers messing it up for the rest of us time and time again, despite that however, I don't think Somalis can offered to lose hope. Insha'Allah will see what the future holds for Somalia and with Allah's grace I know Somalis will get their act together if not now in the near future I hope.[/quote]


Shilling :shock: I must say that is an outstanding compliment u paid me there, i thank you very much. Yep, i am ready to be the first somalia president. My first presidential duty would be to make all fat people, first classs citizens. :mrgreen:


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