Game Over..Congrats Mr. President

[GENERAL_SNM]

War ninyo the problem with all these so called government's is that they have this positive discrimination policy towards certain tribes. I mean tell me why Abgaals are treated with kids gloves. I mean why are Abgaal leaders accepted adn requested to take part in every governemnt, but HG get treated like juveniles. I dont understand this are all HG sinners and all Abgals saints. If a shiekh is a HG he cant be trusted but an Abgal one is different, but why?


Personally I would give the leadership to HG, they are far more experienced at dealing the those Darod, that hide their tales and pointed ears. These Abgaals are to naive, good for know body but Darods .

President of Somalia HJ if not HG cayer in my humble opinion.

[AbdiWahab252]

Patriot,

Sheik Sharif is a man you can sit down and engage in a debate with. He is open to criticism like that.

Try doing that with Indocaade or Aweys or Mansur. You will be killed.

[The_Patriot]

Patriot,

Sheik Sharif is a man you can sit down and engage in a debate with. He is open to criticism like that.

Try doing that with Indocaade or Aweys or Mansur. You will be killed.

Dude if the Sharif had resigned in 2006 it would have made a difference.

As for Indocade we well know he stand he is a warlord that is saving his share.

Aweys/Mansur They stood firm on their grounds.

A/Yusuf did too.

[AbdiWahab252]

Patriot,

Where are Aweys, Afbiijo and Mansur today ? They are alienated and are forced to become spoilers to continue the war. Because if PEACE comes, they will be disposed off.


As for Shiek Sharif, he is more acceptable and sellable to more SOmalis even those who disagree with the UIC.

[The_Patriot]

Patriot,

Where are Aweys, Afbiijo and Mansur today ? They are alienated and are forced to become spoilers to continue the war. Because if PEACE comes, they will be disposed off.


As for Shiek Sharif, he is more acceptable and sellable to more SOmalis even those who disagree with the UIC.

C/W Sharif is not acceptable even to Sacad.
Most clans in the South are either with TFG or the Muqawama.

We can also argue out that the people who did in Mogadishu were as a result of Sharifs miscalculations and their oppositon to the TFG.
Their would be less death if the Sharif camp did indeed join the TFG camp ages ago.

[Shirib]

Maxee UNka nala shiri waayeen markii Raas Kambooni na laguwa weeraraayi, oo diyuurad na laguwa garacaayi?

[Shirib]

I hope Sheik Shariif and the Shabaab can come to an agreement, that would be best case scenario

[FAH1223]

Patriot is another ignorant skinny...warya the guy is playing politics

you cannot win just by chanting takbir and blowing shid up

[The_Patriot]

Patriot is another ignorant skinny...warya the guy is playing politics

you cannot win just by chanting takbir and blowing shid up

Playing politics Kulaha I ask you @ whose expense? dude before you comment its better for you to read what I wrote in the entire post.

To me I am uttely disgusted by one whose carelss mistakes destroyed lives and caused IDP's to you may be he is your Hawiye champion.

The thing was quite simple if he had joined the camp TFG in 2006 then we could have said he did it to save lives but now No.

He is just there for the Kursi another warlord in the making.

[Somaliweyn]

Patriot,

I have noticed that you have criticized Sh.Shariif so harshly that it becomes apparent that you are emotionally attached to the issue. Perhaps your already well-known cuqdad against his clan background?

You should behave more like Kolombo, and look at the case objectively and delink yourself from it emotionally.

[FAH1223]

Playing politics Kulaha I ask you @ whose expense? dude before you comment its better for you to read what I wrote in the entire post.

To me I am uttely disgusted by one whose carelss mistakes destroyed lives and caused IDP's to you may be he is your Hawiye champion.

The thing was quite simple if he had joined the camp TFG in 2006 then we could have said he did it to save lives but now No.

He is just there for the Kursi another warlord in the making.

Lol, I don't support people based on clan, I never had that mentality and never will as it is uncivilized and primitive.

yeah hes playing politics, but hes going to fail, as everything in somalia is a damn failure

[Hyperactive]

i would advice shariif ahmad , ino is eebeynen.
odeygan abdallah yousuf, wah wah lala qeybsado ma aha.
i dont know marko iska dinto, illen isago nool kursiga ka ma dagayo.lol

[Somaliweyn]

Before pointing to the sheer inconsistencies in Patriot's reasoning, let me first give you a glimpse of his attempt to paint Sh.Shariif negatively to the point that it becomes clear to all that Patriot is emotionallly involved. Which then can be explained by his well-known attidute towards the group Sh.Shariif hails from.

The picture Patriot paints about Sh.Shariif:

-'' his political view of thinking as a Teenager or immature ''
- ''When the war started Sharif saw the light and just like a teeneger who overestimated his strengh saw that he was only punching an impregnebale wall''
-Was he being a Tribalist?
-''there is the turning mark of his thinking just like the teenager. ''
-''He is just there for the Kursi another warlord in the making.''

Why is Patriot involved in this case so emotionally? You decide.

In the other post I will explain my view towards Sh.Shariif and the different factions.

[Somaliweyn]

Main argument brought forth by Patriot in his criticism of Sh.Shariif is:

-Why did he signed the peace agreement in Djiboutie?


In asking this question he constructs the argument of:

-Why didnt he do it 2 years earlier instead of first declaring war and then changing mind and coming to a peace agreement.

Basically, what Patriot implicitely and in one of his last posts explicitely made clear is: Sh.Shariif is a flipflopper.

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Before I continue to adress his arguments, let me first disclose my previous opposition to Sh.Shariif policies. I opposed him and ICU because of their incompetent and hasty strategy of transforming a 15+ year stagnant Somali society structured by clannism into an Islamic society structured by Islamic principles.

Now, lets return to Patriot's critique.

First, he singles out SH.Shariif, and presupposed that all decisions ICU made were his. How he arrives at this illogical thinking still remains a mystery. This argument alone counters all his other assertions and accusations adressed to Sh.Shariif.

If we look at the ICU as a movement, we can notice that Sh.Shariif and men like Prof.Addow were the most pragmatic individuals in that movement, and the reason why there were Sudan talks was because of that pragmatic camp inside ICU. Even at this stage, were the ICU defeated the warlords, the most hardline group within the movement were non other then the Alshabab men like Roobow who was yelling Jihad left to right, and even brought his 10-year old son at the front linie in Daynuunay while he said on record (Aljazeera documentary) that he was delighted for his 2 sons (both under 16) to join in this Jihad against Ethiopia and the west.

Fast forward to the defeat and dissolve of the ICU. As we all know, the ICU movement which only was united in the defeat of the infamous Mogadishu warlords broke in different factions, some moderate, others radical.

Sh.Shariif belongs to the moderate camp which is pragmatic and considers all options open to achieve the goal of Ethiopian withdrawal from Somalia. Diplomacy is one branch of war, and should be considered seriously.

Now, Sh.Shariif's camp entered into some agreement in which he never said he would become part of the puppet regime.

Instead, he played politics and said he was prepared to create a unity government free from warlords.

Now, Patriot, tell us exactly what qualifies Sh.Shariif as flipflopper? Hasn't he stick to his pragmatic approach to politics? Hasn't he stick to the overal goal of the resistance: Ethiopians out of Somalia?

Now what comes after this is something which we need await a little bit for the facts to present themselves.

Patriot, explain also why you never cricize men like Sh. Roobow, Sh.turki etc. And take the interest and urgent needs of the Somali masses into consideration.

[The_Patriot]

Somaliweyn, If I answer you it will be a double post.
Everything you need is within the thread.

I still stand firm that Sheikh Sharif is an Immature politician.

Before you do something you think twice of the conseqences only teenagers think after its aftermath.

You dont call the TFG an enemy then you again reconcile with them, thats classical flipflopping.