Game Over..Congrats Mr. President

[Somaliweyn]

First, he singles out SH.Shariif, and presupposes that all decisions ICU made were his. How he arrives at this illogical thinking still remains a mystery. This argument alone counters all his other assertions and accusations adressed to Sh.Shariif.

Do you have anything to say concerning the above argument?

[The_Patriot]

First, he singles out SH.Shariif, and presupposes that all decisions ICU made were his. How he arrives at this illogical thinking still remains a mystery. This argument alone counters all his other assertions and accusations adressed to Sh.Shariif.

Do you have anything to say concerning the above argument?

I used Sharif to remove the fallacy that he is a champion and a peace bearer. If you look at my posts The Sharif had the freedom to exercise his right.If he didnt agree with the ICU during the 2006 he should have resigned Honorably and possibly have joined the TFG.

He however did not do so he called on for a war, then cowardly escaped the country.When the people were resisting he was busy moving from one 5 star to another, when victory was almost being achieved he tries to come back and split the resistance and join the TFG camp.

So if he is insignificant even today why did he come back? So trying to remove blame from hm that he had no power of whatsoever in the ICU back in 2006 and then Saying that he has great support in 2008 is something that is absurd.

[Shirib]

Maxee UNka nala shiri waayeen markii Raas Kambooni na laguwa weeraraayi, oo diyuurad na laguwa garacaayi?

Thats the question I would like answered, and I don't want times have changed answer.

[American-Suufi]

we are not in a juncture of asking why, why, why, why, why, why? that is past.

it is how, how, how, how, peace can be achieved.

sheikh sharif is in the right course.

tfg and alshabab supporters never want peace.

[The_Patriot]

we are not in a juncture of asking why, why, why, why, why, why? that is past.

it is how, how, how, how, peace can be achieved.

sheikh sharif is in the right course.

tfg and alshabab supporters never want peace.

dude we are not kids.
Why explains How things would go like cause & effect.
If TFG & Shabab do not want peace?who is the Sharif making peace deal with?

[Voltage]

Kolombo are you serious in your statement there?

Indhacade said yesterday Sheikh Shariif has joined the oppressors, Sheikh Dahir Aweys called him a renegade who represents no one, and Abu Mansuur said he has nothing to do with our resistance movement.

What do you know that is not out there?

[American-Suufi]

we are not in a juncture of asking why, why, why, why, why, why? that is past.

it is how, how, how, how, peace can be achieved.

sheikh sharif is in the right course.

tfg and alshabab supporters never want peace.

dude we are not kids.
Why explains How things would go like cause & effect.
If TFG & Shabab do not want peace?who is the Sharif making peace deal with?

the tfg nd alshabab are history. the peace train in high speed. somalis need peace and said no to anarchy.

u discuss issues like a mindless hullicinating dude who chewed kaat.

[The_Patriot]

we are not in a juncture of asking why, why, why, why, why, why? that is past.

it is how, how, how, how, peace can be achieved.

sheikh sharif is in the right course.

tfg and alshabab supporters never want peace.

dude we are not kids.
Why explains How things would go like cause & effect.
If TFG & Shabab do not want peace?who is the Sharif making peace deal with?

the tfg nd alshabab are history. the peace train in high speed. somalis need peace and said no to anarchy.

u discuss issues like a mindless hullicinating dude who chewed kaat.

Dude the only person hallucinating is you.

There is no peace you either submit to the TFG or Fight alongside Shabab.

For you I wouldnt waste time arguing with someone who believes the Sharif is a wali mind you Ayatullahs only exisit in Iran.

[Somaliweyn]

Kolombo are you serious in your statement there?

Indhacade said yesterday Sheikh Shariif has joined the oppressors, Sheikh Dahir Aweys called him a renegade who represents no one, and Abu Mansuur said he has nothing to do with our resistance movement.

What do you know that is not out there?

Coincidentally those three individuals represent the factions that were radical and played the major role in declaring Jihad and talking all tough with the ultimatums at a time they were not in a position to act like that.

Also, at this current time, the three individuals represent factions that are so radical that they only think linear, while losing many other important variables out of the equation.

For example, we have a humanitarian crisis in Somalia (Benadir), the Ethiopians have been pinned down, the West has realized its errors in financing and backing the Christian-Ethiopian state's policy in Somalia, and the resistance movement has failed to spread beyond the known places/regions.

If this is the setting, how can we achieve:

A)The defeated Ehiopians out of Somalia,
B) The humanitarian crisis to be resolved
C) The Somali people to initiate the development of their own political institutions.

If Sh.Shariif's faction says they can achieve point A and B, and are prepared to take into accomodation the different Somali group's wishes in the approach of point C, why shouldnt people welcome his efforts?

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As for Alshabab, and Aweys faction,

They are so radical as to not negotiate with their own respective subclans and support groups let alone with others. Clearly, they do not care for point B and C, and only want to achieve point A through sheer force. Which ironically enough they do not posses, also the public support for them diminishes since they have clearly disrecarded point B, C and do not want to consider other options for achieving point A.

[Murax]

What a ironic situation.


Every logical, learned (Both Islamically, Politically) person was saying in December '06 that the only way Ethiopia would leave Baidoa was through political tact/negotiation and things of that sort, as a nation licking its wounds afte 20 years of civil war could not fight Ethiopia. Instead these people were silenced and made to look as traitors. Then the entire Somali community in Somalia gave "Bay'ah" (Allegience) to this "Emir Ul Muslimin" and He subsquently surrendered Himself to Kenyan authorities, and now He has joined the hyenna and dhiig cabayaal Government. Now after hundreds of thousands of people have suffered, this fool didn't experience a day of rafaad in His life, and people have suffered tremendously as a result.


Somalias downfall is the fact that their very emotional and just go with the tide without calculating moves and waying the benefit of them.

[sadeboi]

What a ironic situation.


Every logical, learned (Both Islamically, Politically) person was saying in December '06 that the only way Ethiopia would leave Baidoa was through political tact/negotiation and things of that sort, as a nation licking its wounds afte 20 years of civil war could not fight Ethiopia. Instead these people were silenced and made to look as traitors. Then the entire Somali community in Somalia gave "Bay'ah" (Allegience) to this "Emir Ul Muslimin" and He subsquently surrendered Himself to Kenyan authorities, and now He has joined the hyenna and dhiig cabayaal Government. Now after hundreds of thousands of people have suffered, this fool didn't experience a day of rafaad in His life, and people have suffered tremendously as a result.


Somalias downfall is the fact that their very emotional and just go with the tide without calculating moves and waying the benefit of them.

Even thou I fully disagree with the bold comment, I must say your explanation is quite on point. Sh.Sharif is a man who went rogue because of personal interest. Whatever the reasons patriot made this topic maybe, he has valid points, when the ICU was a powerful entity and far more powerful then the TFG Sh. Sharif had the same persona Somaliweyn accused Al-shabab of having. They did not want to really negotiate with the TFG and the military wing, at that lead by Indhacade declared Jihad on Ethiopia, Sh. Sharif up until he surrendered to the Kenyans was bent on the idea of fighting the TFG and gaining supreme power. Today he romanticizes with the idea of being a key figure in a supposed TFG+Maxakiim conglomeration, simply he had a chance to do what he is doing right now but did not. The only entity that is worthy of respect because they adhered to their promise and ideals is Al-shabab not the Maxakiim factions in Djibouti or Eritrea, they have stayed in Somalia and have fought the occupiers. Once can argue that they lack the political aspect, but we must also be realistic in that the nature of the occupiers is not to simply leave and hand back Somalia to the people, they want to at least establish an entity that they guide, and I use the word "guide" loosely.

[Murax]

Sadeboi,

Good points. But know that this Sheikh Sharif Guy believes in "Political Islam". Don't get Me wrong Islam governs everything including politics, but that politics cannot benefit just benefit one person but must benefit the entire whole. In Islamic Shariah every law in it is designed to benefit the community not one person. Here are the facts:


-Somalia gave Bay'ah to "Sheikh" Sharif After He declared "Religious War" on Ethiopia
-Within days He was in the Kenyan border surrenduring to authorities, meeting with the US Ambassador (Nothing necessairly wrong with that)
-Went to Eritrea
-Joined the Hyenna filled Government

In the meanwhile poor souls in Xamar and its environs have gone through living hell with 1 million being refugees in their own homes.


As for what I wrote in bold time has proven that to be the case bro. Nobody was happy with Ethiopia in Baydhabo but Somalis didn't have the strength to fight them, and after the "Religious war was declared" We played right into their hands. War is deception, and tact could have been used to solve the Ethiopia in Baydhabo situation. As a result today?

-There in Hiiraan, Baydhabo and the capitol of the nation Mogadishu, raping, maiming, killing

-Have been Here for two years
-Are showing no signs of going anywhere


And the Man who whipped thousands of people on the streets of Mogadishu into a Religious frenzy in '06 is now part of the criminal mob Goverment. Why must the whole suffer for the benefit of one Man, and Why do We not learn from our mistakes?

[Shirib]

When another countries army comes into your country they have already declared war!!!

[sadeboi]

Agreeable with most parts, but the notion you have that Somalis gave bayah to Sheikh Sharif is not really an accurate portrayal of the populace urgency to support him, I think it had more to do with hope and the ideals that a religious movement conveyed. The Somali people were and are still looking for way to get out of this predicament they clinch on to any ideology that would result in liberation from themselves and others, you can call that an emotional group of people, but they indeed are humans and like any other humans will flirt with any idea that would bring forth improvement.

If we closely examine the Ethiopian man power we would see that since the 2006 invasion Ethiopia has lost control and cannot maintain districts let alone provinces, mind you that the percentage of the Somali populace who engaged in battle with them are relatively small. If more people joined then I think the results would be much quicker. I do agree with your notion of the war's playing into peoples hand, and that is why I am adamant (at the present) about not supporting fully any movement, but will state my opinion on who I think is better.


ICU made the grave mistakes, Al-shabab is cleaning up the mess with mistakes of their own on the way!

[King-of-Awdal]

The question should be why does an Ethiopian such as The-Patriot care about Somali Politics.