Somalia, a graveyard of American foreign-policy blunders

[Murax]

Murax,

Possibly, then they would be forced to rule and that my friend is where the rubber meets the road.

They would have to modernize, compromise and negotiate into something they are not.

Its easy to be a rebel but harder to be an administrator

Sxb they would rule until a stronger force (Non Somali) expelled them.

[AbdiWahab252]

Murax,


Possibly, or they may run into severe resistance and be licked. Or an uprising may occur against them. Or a moderates, liberals and conservatives of the movement may clash.

[Xashi]

Murax,

Possibly, then they would be forced to rule and that my friend is where the rubber meets the road.

They would have to modernize, compromise and negotiate into something they are not.

Its easy to be a rebel but harder to be an administrator

Walahi that is so true. No matter who rules they have to compromise at the moment because the muslim world is just not strong enough right now.

Maybe shabab dont want to rule just like Alqaida but want to take America down along with Somalia ofcourse.

[Murax]

Murax,


Possibly, or they may run into severe resistance and be licked. Or an uprising may occur against them. Or a moderates, liberals and conservatives of the movement may clash.

Nobody would rule forever but the point is that they would rule!

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Probably the best article about somalia ever, he captures it exactly as it is. These are some of the bits I liked:

Somalia is a political paradox—unified on the surface, poisonously divided beneath. It is one of the world’s most homogeneous nation-states, with nearly all of its estimated 9 to 10 million people sharing the same language (Somali), the same religion (Sunni Islam), the same culture, and the same ethnicity. But in Somalia, it’s all about clan. Somalis divide themselves into a dizzying number of clans, subclans, sub-subclans, and so on, with shifting allegiances and knotty backstories that have bedeviled outsiders for years.

Even though I am pro-SL its comments like this that make me think twice about seceding, especially when the world is laughing at us for fighting over a stupid thing like clans.

Somalia won independence in 1960, but it quickly became a Cold War pawn, prized for its strategic location in the Horn of Africa, where Africa and Asia nearly touch. First it was the Soviets who pumped in weapons, then the United States. A poor, mostly illiterate, mainly nomadic country became a towering ammunition dump primed to explode. The central government was hardly able to hold the place together. Even in the 1980s, Maj. Gen. Mohamed Siad Barre, the capricious dictator who ruled from 1969 to 1991, was derisively referred to as “the mayor of Mogadishu” because so much of the country had already spun out of his control.

Even though we were our own downfall, but this is what happens when foreign countries meddle in third world country's affairs: they don't care about if people kill each other or not. Also even though he's dead, Afweyne(AUN) had a big part to play in our downfall.

This just goes to show only we can sort our selves out and our country's problems. If SL and PL's forces joined with Sharif's government then peace would be established straight away.

[Somaliman50]

I actually believe its the nomadic clan nature which has prevented Somalia from reaching it's potential. There was a quote by I.M Lewis about the civil war just being another version of the clan conflicts which has historically been apart of the Somali nomadic lifestyle, but this time round, its advanced deadly weapons being used instead of spears and such

If you go to anywhere in Somalia, the typical person would see himself as 'ina reer hebel hebel' before a Somali national. That mentality needs to be overcome before anything else.

[FAH1223]

I actually believe its the nomadic clan nature which has prevented Somalia from reaching it's potential. There was a quote by I.M Lewis about the civil war just being another version of the clan conflicts which has historically been apart of the Somali nomadic lifestyle, but this time round, its advanced deadly weapons being used instead of spears and such :lol:

If you go to anywhere in Somalia, the typical person would see himself as 'ina reer hebel hebel' before a Somali national. That mentality needs to be overcome before anything else.

AT 6:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiQGItUB8r4

"In a sense, they're just doing what Somalis did in the past, in the old traditional clan system and fighting between clans. But what is so terrible is the effects of the use of modern weapons. Its okay with spears but it is quite a different matter when these people have bazookas and anti-tank rifles and anti-tank guns and artillery."