The Evolution non-debate??

[Galool09]

^ If anything, its the somalinet people that like me young man. As far as god is concerned i am going to hell. Lookign forward to it though, can't imagine going to a never changing miserable place, where even women remain to be virgins.

[Goljano Lion]

^ If anything, its the somalinet people that like me young man. As far as god is concerned i am going to hell. Lookign forward to it though, can't imagine going to a never changing miserable place, where even women remain to be virgins.

you have a point , some how it makes sense

[Real_Talk]

Hoowle, William Paley's "Watchmaker" analogy contends that if u discover a sophisticated watch in the middle of the desert, then it's logical to conclude an equally or more sophisticated watchmaker must have made it, even if that watchmaker isn't readily accessible. Your example of dropping the watch in the amazon doesn't make any sense....whether the natives there don't understand the fact that a watch is man-made has no bearing on the fact that it is, much like how your inability to grasp how a Supreme Being fashioned and skillfully crafted us and our environment has no bearing on the fact that He did.

As for your comment about science being self-correcting and religion remaining stagnant, something that is originally correct requires no further development. Science is a process, and through trial and error, certain conclusions are made until more viable explanations are uncovered. Now, if the correct conclusion is the one you started off with, what's the need to further elaborate and investigate? Religion remaining consistent does not detract from it's authenticity, it reinforces it.

Now for the BIG one....the one thing evolutionists have never been able to explain. How do you explain gravity?

WTF??? Are you serious? I mean really? Or are you retarded?

What the hell does got damn gravity got to do with evolution?

I really think idiots who know nothing about science or evolution should refrain from debating about it. Taking an introductory high school biology course before posting again in this thread.

LoL @ this retard calling anybody else retarded....listen retard, u not being able to understand a question's relevance doesn't mean the question doesn't make sense...it just means u don't understand the significance of the question cuz ur a retard, u retard. And that's "Real Talk".

Gravity is the single greatest element that points to the existence of a Creator. There's no other scientific explanation for how it came into existence. Evolutionists have a skewed explanation for pretty much everything, but are mum on the issue of gravity. Although gravity is derived from physics, it refutes the theory of evolution which would like to substitute a Creator for evolving from apes all on our own, when the latter has no possible explanation or compatible theory for how gravity came about.

First and foremost the connection of gravity with evolution is a non-sequitur which is why I found it absurd when you first mentioned it. Next, the question of how gravity came into existence is a regression fallacy. Asking how gravity came into existence is the same question as asking what caused the big bang. Just because science hasn't found a naturalistic answer right now doesn't mean it has a supernatural cause.

Two thousands years ago people didn't know why it got dark at night so they made up mythical stories of the Sun God being defeated by the God of the Underworld at night. So the ancient peoples used to believe that unless they prayed to the Sun God, he wouldn't come back the next day. Nowadays we know this supernatural reason is preposterous. We know from scientific discovery the Sun doesn't even move, but rather its the earth spin that causes the change from day to night.

Just like the ignorant people of ancient times, today you are ascribing a super natural cause for a phenomena that we have yet to find an answer to. Just because the answer hasn't been discovered yet doesn't mean that its proof of a GOD.

[Basra-]

Galool09........




First of all, i must thank you for having the balls' to take 500 hours to construct such a lenghty but insubstantial rebuttal. Although i was captured by your humor and wit, i must confess it grossly lack a crucial ingredient of intelligence. Now, unlike you, i will not quote every sentence of your response because i do not have 500 hours and most importantly, i dont have the patience for it.





I will, however, try to mentally decapitate you with a delicious succinct annalysis of your state of mind and state of Godlessness. I have challenged you to bring forth proof or at least intelligent debate as to why you think i am an atheist just like you.I wanted to test you, or delve into your mind more in depth. I wanted to make sure that you were not 'projecting' your own atheism onto me.I expected a ravishing intellectual rebuttal of fantastical height; instead i just received the same rantings of a seemingly imbalanced rhetorics that at best, appear eclactic.There was certainly enough athesism calling rants going on...


"I’m not under any delusion, I’m certain about your rotten atheism."

and......

"There is nothing to analyse here, we both know you are an atheist. Our only problem is that you liberate yourself and come out of the closet, as I have already stated"

and.....the rantings continue.....


"You know you are atheist, I do too, and anyone ‘enlightened’ enough to read between the lines in your grossly sarcastic and patronising posts about religion will agree with me"


I was hopelessly and devotedly waiting for an expose' of mythical proportion.When i asked for a challenging debate on prooving my so called atheism', even hinted to aide you in this lovely endeavor by suggesting you to use my own words to proove your point. Dutifily in compliance with your nature, that is the lack of intelligence; you hopelessly confessed the epic eternal truth.


"Sorry to say this basra, but this is gay, even coming from someone with lesbian tendencies like you. Not to mention unfair, because my only proof of your atheism is my sharp perception, endless intelligence,"


You damn right it is unfair; You have no proof, you have no intelligence even to invent the proof.You are absolutely right, How insensitive of me to dream BIG for you.It is NOT fair. On this account of you accusing me of atheism, i rest my case that you have no basis of it, other than your endless self projections and personal opinions. You are certainly entitled and welcomed to think me an 'atheist', i am a big proponent of personal opinions, i think it is a fundamental human right.Any human, balanced or unbalanced.



However, reading your last post, i must declare i have gathered enough intellegencia to conclude; you dear, are not a complete atheist as it turns out to be.Dont get me wrong, you are still blasphamous, doubtful rationalist, and you do question the existance of God.pretentious or none pretentiously. Now, i am fully aware that this by itself can be grounds for declaring you a full blown atheist, however i am not in a hurry to call u that. In a single powerful paragraph of yours that i am about to post below, there is a huge amount of revealations, information and insight that i have gathered that could shake the very doubtful existant soul of any 'intelligent but mostly childish fake psychological analysis' person.That this quote of yours could proove you are pretentiously an atheist or just something else that could unfold later. Galool9...you write.....



"You nailed it there; and the reason I don’t need to surrender to a ‘higher creator’ as Allah, Yahweh, Jesus, Krishna, and the mareexaan oromo god of waaq, is because I have never encountered the idiots. Where do they hide I keep wondering. Tell me basra, in your 20/30 years of existence, has this Allaha ever give you a call? Did he in any way show care and seem to be concerned about your repressed sexual thoughts about women for example? May be in your dreams, but then we would have no way of extracting the nature of those dreams from your head. Unless, of course your mine is so developed as you claim, and may be had the ability to print visual images of what actually happened on some kind of paper to proof your isbaramuuto session with Allah swt. And even then, you would immediately be declared to be at worst some kind of an alien from a strange planet, at best to be an advanced Japanese human robot, and altogether, yet another proof that god does not exist."



In this simple simgle spalsh of paragraphia de la confessia-- i discovered a little wounded soul. Yes, i sad the word soul'. You do have a soul my dear, wounded as it is, molested as it is, it still looms in the deep horizon of painful surpressed memories and sadness.
The paragraph although infested with the usual none intelligent rhetoric of empty repertoire-- it contained two very absolute truth that speakth the soul of the typer.(or the thinker?) The first truth is in the paragraph begining of course, it showcases a soul that has given up on Allaah, so lonely,so angry, so furious that no imaan can substitute or heal the pain it has experienced or suffered.


"has this Allaha ever give you a call? Did he in any way show care and seem to be concerned about your repressed sexual thoughts about women for example?"


My dear Galool9 i feel for you. Let me be the first to express a simple 'sorry' for whatever you went through, and that the call u called for was not answered.That you feel you were not protected when you needed to be protected. I am sorry.


The second truth is the big Kahuna. It shook me into vigorous jealousy and finalized zeal of pride that you are not lost after all.More importantly that u do have an imaan' however pretentious hidden or surpressed. It was in the form of a very succinct three letter word that spoke a mountain of blessed musings.


"and may be had the ability to print visual images of what actually happened on some kind of paper to proof your isbaramuuto session with Allah swt."



Yes, indeed Ladies and Gentlemen, observe the Phenomenon, mega fastastic beautiful three word of "Swt" following the Magnicent, most merciful name ...of Allaah. Indeed my dearest Galool9 .....indeed...Subhaanhah waa tacaalah. Even "I" here an ignorant soul of my diin who admits ignorance in my diin, my Quran, who dares beat my gentle well proportioned bossoms, dare have not used the three super words myself.(Hence my vigorous jealousy and my promise that i will use the three letter word from now on) I ask myself, how can an atheist use such magnificent three beautiful abbreviation of important words? How is that a great ignoramus as myself have not used it? Yes, dearest Galool09, i have had an 'epiphany'. You are not an atheist, i have prooved it. Here, fair and square-- on the nail as you would term it'.



The Big Kahuna question then begs is: Why the Hell will u come in here and be so blasphamous? So insulting? So resolutely prepared to commit Shirik and heresey and all that forbidden acts of irrational atheism? Why will u do that? What is your motives? Why does someone who clearly is well read in diinta Islaanka,(by the record of somalinet forum of your other alias, religiousi inclined usernames), who is so very well imaaned to declare these beeautful three letter words following Alaah---swt--why will u commit such unforgivableness? My only conclusion and answer to my question will be to this....another revealing quote of yours....


"
First let me inform you that my 4th wife who is a doctor coupled with the grace of god have successfully cured me from syphilis"

No---My dear Galool09--u r not cured. You are clinically mad. Syphilis is well known to make someone mad. You are mentally irrational and mad.I think there is a battle between your infected syphilised mind and your imaan heart. You are experiencing the greatest battles a human can go through.And yes, you are also Muktaar-- the reknown mad-idiot sarvant who everybody will agree with me in terms of the status of his sanity.



In Conclusion:


I finish this endless, pointless battle of blasphemy game by praying for you, by praying for your lost soul. Even though you act and talk atheism-- your apparent 'fear' of Hell....is obvious in your post to the idiot Goljano Lion.



"Galool09 wrote:
^ If anything, its the somalinet people that like me young man. As far as god is concerned i am going to hell. Lookign forward to it though, can't imagine going to a never changing miserable place, where even women remain to be virgins.

you have a point , some how it makes sense"



Your apparent fear of Hell, coupled with your almost atheistic tendancy have crippled you, and left u to loom in the horizon of doubt, fear and thedormant statehood--of nothingness. You aspire to rationalize yourself into 'safe zone' where you seek a comfortable compromise that is the very opposite of faith and imaan. I plead to you to take the plunge and believe with me.You dont have to be a fanatic, Pseudo militant, self bombing coxcomb taliban wanan be. Just begin by cleansing yourself of this gradual unhealthy growth of doubt. Visit your nearest doctor and examine your mental organ for any trace of syphilis molecules.Continue to be the liberatarian and the good hearted soul you are, who is always taken advantage by scheming litle skinny' manipulators like me. And no i have no advice for you on what to do with that natural dilemma of yours, your sweet heart.


In conclusion...Galool9 aka eyes only........ I will have you in my prayers. I will pray for you to Alaah swt. Assalam aleikum warahmatulah wa barakatu.

[Basra-]

....... oh my god, i just came from enjoying a lovely sunday, i just realized that i wrote too much up there. Poor galool09...

[Cawar]

:lol: ....... oh my god, i just came from enjoying a lovely sunday, i just realized that i wrote too much up there. Poor galool09...

Lol. Leave the old man RIP.. You and I both know that galool09 is just an impostor.

[Basra-]

Cawar@lool


I am just being a sweet sister to him. Nothing more, nothing less. How r u by the way?

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

First and foremost the connection of gravity with evolution is a non-sequitur which is why I found it absurd when you first mentioned it. Next, the question of how gravity came into existence is a regression fallacy. Asking how gravity came into existence is the same question as asking what caused the big bang. Just because science hasn't found a naturalistic answer right now doesn't mean it has a supernatural cause.

Two thousands years ago people didn't know why it got dark at night so they made up mythical stories of the Sun God being defeated by the God of the Underworld at night. So the ancient peoples used to believe that unless they prayed to the Sun God, he wouldn't come back the next day. Nowadays we know this supernatural reason is preposterous. We know from scientific discovery the Sun doesn't even move, but rather its the earth spin that causes the change from day to night.

Just like the ignorant people of ancient times, today you are ascribing a super natural cause for a phenomena that we have yet to find an answer to. Just because the answer hasn't been discovered yet doesn't mean that its proof of a GOD.

You know what, I sincerely apologize bro. It was inconsiderate of me to assume anyone reading this thread would possess at least minimal common sense and understand why I referenced the presence of gravity in an argument for a Creator, within a larger argument of Evolution vs. Creationism. I didn't have u in mind when I made that assumption. I know ur probably running late for ur 7th year R.E.T.A.R.D course (Reinforced Education Towards A Registered Dumbass), so I'll briefly explain what the relevance was (I have storybook-esque picture-aides i drew myself to help "reinforce" this point I'm tryna make...holla if u need them). Life on Earth could not exist without several things. Gravity is one of them. *Wipe the drool off ur chin*. Evolutionists have something comparable to an explanation for many phenomena to support their claim that there isn't a God who created us and there's an alternative explanation for these phenomena. Gravity is not one of them. In this modern age with sophisticated technological equipment, scientists still can't figure that one out and it continues to remain one of the greatest mysteries. *Wipe the drool off ur chin*. Although evolution doesn't necessarily delve into physics and is more concentrated on the origin of man, it substitutes God for a natural process to explain how we got here...in eliminating the possibility of a Creator, it leaves a void in the question of gravity and IT'S origin, with no compatible scientific explanation to fill that void. The point I was making is that gravity is essential to our existence and the most that evolutionists have to explain how that element exists, without an Intelligent Creator, is little more than a shrug of the shoulders. *Wipe the drool off ur chin*.

You try to present the theory of evolution as if it's a sophisticated explanation built on proof. When the truth is, saying "we're kinda sorta maybe somewhat similar to monkeys, therefore, we were monkeys" is as ridiculous as ur example of the day god fighting the night god. There's alot of questions evolution doesn't answer. For example, why hasn't man evolved into another species? Why are monkeys still around if we're advanced versions of them and we evolved from them? Why haven't they evolved into humans too? Where is this mythical common ancestor and why haven't we found that missing link's remains?

Believing there is a God who created everything is more logical than not believing in Him. There's several things we need to sustain life on Earth....the sun, oxygen, water, gravity, food (different kinds to remain healthy), trees/plants, heat (a balanced amount, as too much would burn us to death and with too little, we'd freeze), etc. etc. etc. I can appreciate a coincidence that would provide us with one of those resources we absolutely must have to be alive....but hundreds of perfect "coincidences" which combine to make this world perfectly hospitable to human/animal/plant life, when even 1 of them being removed from the equation would cause life to cease to exist? Go wipe that drool off.

[Galool09]

:lol: ....... oh my god, i just came from enjoying a lovely sunday, i just realized that i wrote too much up there. Poor galool09...

I take all that drivel as yet another attempt to disguise your atheism and smoothen your tracks basra; which is why i did not want to take your debate seriously in the first place.

[Real_Talk]

You know what, I sincerely apologize bro. It was inconsiderate of me to assume anyone reading this thread would possess at least minimal common sense and understand why I referenced the presence of gravity in an argument for a Creator, within a larger argument of Evolution vs. Creationism. I didn't have u in mind when I made that assumption. I know ur probably running late for ur 7th year R.E.T.A.R.D course (Reinforced Education Towards A Registered Dumbass), so I'll briefly explain what the relevance was (I have storybook-esque picture-aides i drew myself to help "reinforce" this point I'm tryna make...holla if u need them). Life on Earth could not exist without several things. Gravity is one of them. *Wipe the drool off ur chin*. Evolutionists have something comparable to an explanation for many phenomena to support their claim that there isn't a God who created us and there's an alternative explanation for these phenomena. Gravity is not one of them. In this modern age with sophisticated technological equipment, scientists still can't figure that one out and it continues to remain one of the greatest mysteries. *Wipe the drool off ur chin*. Although evolution doesn't necessarily delve into physics and is more concentrated on the origin of man, it substitutes God for a natural process to explain how we got here...in eliminating the possibility of a Creator, it leaves a void in the question of gravity and IT'S origin, with no compatible scientific explanation to fill that void. The point I was making is that gravity is essential to our existence and the most that evolutionists have to explain how that element exists, without an Intelligent Creator, is little more than a shrug of the shoulders. *Wipe the drool off ur chin*.

You really don't get it do you?

Gravity is simply the force of attraction between two masses. Its origin and why its here, just like everything else about the universe, is still a mystery to us humans. But because we don't have all the answers RIGHT NOW doesn't mean that its proof of a creator. You are using faulty logic in your argument my brother. Right now most cosmologists believe the universe began with a big bang. However, no theory we have right now explains what caused the big bang and why it ever happened. Now your question about why gravity exists is similair to this question. But you make the false assumption in believing that because we don't have a naturalistic answer to this question right now, then it MUST be proof of supernatural cause. Well sorry to say this but that is completely wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, I have NEVER stated that there couldn't be a creator for our universe. I mean anything is possible and there very well could've been a creator. I personally right now don't believe that because there is no credible evidence for a God. However, I think your problem with science right now, is why it eliminates the possibility of a creator and looks toward just naturalistic answers for everything in our universe. Well my brother, the answer to this is very simple.

Saying the universe was created by a God doesn't really get us anywhere. Science is about empirical evidence. If we just gave up right now on trying to explain our world in naturalistic ways and assumed that every mysterious phenomena was caused by a supernatural power, then my brother we wouldn't really be learning anything. Just think about it this way. When ancient man first saw rain fall from the sky, he didn't know why this happened. He didn't have the scientific knowledge we have now, so the answer he gave himself was that it was caused by the rain god. Now because rainfall is so precious in many parts of the world where there isn't much fresh water, many ancient cultures developed religious dances for the rain god. So for generations on many religions developed around worship of natural forces. Nowadays we know why it rains. We know that rainfall is simply the condensation of atmospheric water vapor into liquid precipitation heavy enough to fall to the earth's surface. Now this was discovered by science because we assumed that phenomena in our world and universe can be explained naturalistically. Basically that we can learn everything about our reality without the need for a supernatural creator. If man had not been inquisitive from his earliest history and had just accepted religious dogma for explanations of natural phenomena then my brother we would still be living caves, worshiping the sun, and dancing for rain.

Basically, science is built upon the assumption that there is no creator.

You try to present the theory of evolution as if it's a sophisticated explanation built on proof. When the truth is, saying "we're kinda sorta maybe somewhat similar to monkeys, therefore, we were monkeys" is as ridiculous as ur example of the day god fighting the night god. There's alot of questions evolution doesn't answer. For example, why hasn't man evolved into another species? Why are monkeys still around if we're advanced versions of them and we evolved from them? Why haven't they evolved into humans too? Where is this mythical common ancestor and why haven't we found that missing link's remains?

I guess you haven't read half the posts in this thread. This issue has already been hammered to death so I will just re-post some shit I've already posted dealing with these stupid questions.

Please learn what evolutionary theory states about human evolution because making such stupid objections.

I'll say this one more time for clarity. Evolution does not say we are monkeys. Monkeys are a different species altogether. We humans on the other hand along with chimps, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans are APES.

Now that does not mean we evolved from chimps or gorillas. They are our cousins. Genetically we share nearly 98% of our DNA with them. I think the problem most people have is they believe evolution goes in a straight line. That there is a sort of plan or design to the process. That we humans are a sort of apex of evolution, with chimps and gorillas below us, and then all the way down the animal kingdom to bacteria and fungi. Well that is the mistake people. Evolution has no design and there is no culmination or apex to it. We humans are no more "evolved" than chimps, gorillas, whales, or even bacteria. Every living organism on earth right now is just as "evolved" as the next because they are descendant from a common ancestor that lived millions of years ago.

The theory of evolution holds that humans and other apes have a COMMON ape-like ancestor. Now that doesn't mean the common ancestor looked like chimps or gorillas. Remember chimps and gorillas have also been evolving for the 7-9 million years since the separation happened. The mistake you are making in your criticism of evolution is you expect to see a chimpanzee turning into a human in the fossil record. Well that my friend is a fallacy. The fossil record shows clearly the gradual change of an ape-like creature that walked on two legs into the modern-day homo-sapien. For nearly two million years we see the brain get bigger in these creatures. The facial morphology also changes to become more human-like with a smaller jaw. We see the bones get longer and taller. That my friend is all evolution tells us. How modern animals came about. Of course this example is very simple. The change from our ape-ancestor to modern-day humans isn't as incredible as lets say the evolution of a terrestrial land mammal to the modern-day whale. But even for that there is sufficient fossil evidence showing how a 60 million year old land mammal similar to modern-day hippos evolved into modern-day whales.


Please learn what you are criticizing before making such ignorant allegations.

Believing there is a God who created everything is more logical than not believing in Him. There's several things we need to sustain life on Earth....the sun, oxygen, water, gravity, food (different kinds to remain healthy), trees/plants, heat (a balanced amount, as too much would burn us to death and with too little, we'd freeze), etc. etc. etc. I can appreciate a coincidence that would provide us with one of those resources we absolutely must have to be alive....but hundreds of perfect "coincidences" which combine to make this world perfectly hospitable to human/animal/plant life, when even 1 of them being removed from the equation would cause life to cease to exist? Go wipe that drool off.

No. Belief in God is irrational. It defies all logic and it is not founded on evidence. The most common way to “find God” is to be taught the religion of your parents or other relatives. If you had been born in another country, your version of God would probably be different.

There’s never really any agreement on the exact definition of God. Many hold that God is almighty, but at the same time there are things God can’t do. Many hold that God is all-loving, but at the same time the world is full of evil. Many hold that God is all-knowing, yet God often regrets His actions. Some hold that we are all part of God, and some that the number of gods is infinite; some hold that God created the universe and walked away, and some hold that God is personal. The very concept of God is ill-defined and fuzzy to the point where one can’t really say anything useful about the concept except perhaps “beyond human”.

Most religions assert that God knows all, loves all, and can do pretty much everything. Still, the world is full of evil. This pretty much speaks for itself. The theists defend their God by saying that the reason for evil is that humans must have free will. Yet God, who is all-knowing, must have known what kind of world this would lead to. How can God love all people yet be willing to put them through so much misery and suffering? Why should a newborn drown because of Hurricane Katrina?

If God designed humans and other animals, why are there so many unnecessary or even harmful features of the various types of life that inhabit the earth? Why is there cancer? Why is there heart disease? Why are there natural disasters? If God is almighty, why has He failed to fix the problems of the world? If God created the universe specifically for life, why is so much of it very hostile to and totally devoid of life? If God dictated or inspired the various holy books of the world, why are they so self-contradictory and nonsensical? If God is the source of morality, why are many of his laws so cruel?

[Niya]

...And the beat goes on.......
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123777413372910705.html

[Cawar]

...And the beat goes on.......
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123777413372910705.html

Whats more Interesting..is that you said nothing in this thread you started and gave no opinion .And you are giving more ammo for this to continue

[Niya]

Cawar, I am still doing my research

[HaileyBailey]

interesting debate. I don't know much about the quran, blame my parents and school was not my thing. So, in that regard I may be out of my legue here for I know nothing of scientific theories. However, I do have a question and it may have already been covered in previous pages, but i'm too lazy and tired to read through it all. So, my question is, how is it that we evolved from monkeys, but the monkeys have not evolved? If we evolved from modern day monkeys, were are there still monkeys in modern days? It seems to me that lucy has evolved to Basra, but lucy is now desplayed in archives as a historical avidence of what we once were...no lucy in modern days, why muusa in modern day?

[Basra-]

[quote="Galool09"][quote="Basra-"]:lol: ....... oh my god, i just came from enjoying a lovely sunday, i just realized that i wrote too much up there. Poor galool09... [/quote]


I take all that drivel as yet another attempt to disguise your atheism and smoothen your tracks basra; which is why i did not want to take your debate seriously in the first place.[/quote]


Galool09

I sense a defeat-ious surrender from you. I am sorry.