The Evolution non-debate??

[Voltage]

you know, debating is two way street. I gave you a reply that had a partial list of "transitional forms" between humans and ape-like creatures we descended from. what is your response? do you reject the list I gave? if yes, why?

No Hoowle, you are the typical fraud. First of all let us put this into context because I have seen this argument before.

1. This illustration is from the august 1999 version of Time magazine and was illustrated by Douglas Theobald. MOST of them are fossils found that are filled in for the missing holes and the "blue" color signify the ones that could be least accurate.

2. Almost all of them are not even in our line of ancestry but "cousins". Since they cannot proof we are from them, they don't want to risk of looking like frauds by saying we are without any evidence so they use the "relative" word. (KEEP IN MIND THIS IS STILL IN OUR OWN LINE SEPARATE FROM APES/CHIMPS.

3. Most of important of all NONE are between Human line and Apes/Chimps. There is not ONE evidence that humans and apes were at any point joined.

[Hoowle]

I'm assuming you're talking about the Piltdown man where someone claimed a skull of relatively modern apes as long extinct transitional fossils. but guess what, it was scientists who discovered the hoax not creationists

Just re-read what I said and you will discover that you are only reiterarting what I said in my earlier post..indeed other scientists who depended solely on scientific evidence discovered it.. not those with atheistic tendency and preconceived notion about all religions and the existence of God..the watch maker.. and the creator of everything from nothingness.

well, I re-read what you wrote and you're still wrong. the point remains it was scientists who discovered the hoax just like scientists add to our knowledge everyday. not Imaams or priests. that is how science works -- it is self-correcting and always open to revision. it follows the evidence to where ever it leads and has no taboos. can we say the same about sectarian dogma? obviously not. one discovers new truths and the other fervently holds on to old truths that have no basis in evidence. one makes progress, the other remains stagnant happy with its certainties.

I noticed you sneaked in a creationist claptrap with the watchmaker. first, how do we know a watch has to have a maker? because we SEE a watch getting made. we have REASONS to believe a watch needs a maker. but what evidence do we have for Creator making anything besides "faith?" the answer is nothing. so the analogy is without merit. if you drop a watch deep into the amazon jungle amidst people who never had contact with civilization, will they assume the watch had a maker? probably not and will assume the watch is no different from all the other inanimate objects around them like rocks etc.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

Hoowle, William Paley's "Watchmaker" analogy contends that if u discover a sophisticated watch in the middle of the desert, then it's logical to conclude an equally or more sophisticated watchmaker must have made it, even if that watchmaker isn't readily accessible. Your example of dropping the watch in the amazon doesn't make any sense....whether the natives there don't understand the fact that a watch is man-made has no bearing on the fact that it is, much like how your inability to grasp how a Supreme Being fashioned and skillfully crafted us and our environment has no bearing on the fact that He did.

As for your comment about science being self-correcting and religion remaining stagnant, something that is originally correct requires no further development. Science is a process, and through trial and error, certain conclusions are made until more viable explanations are uncovered. Now, if the correct conclusion is the one you started off with, what's the need to further elaborate and investigate? Religion remaining consistent does not detract from it's authenticity, it reinforces it.

Now for the BIG one....the one thing evolutionists have never been able to explain. How do you explain gravity?

[Cawar]

Howle, you are making no sense whatsoever right now..
you are neither good at representing your side nor effective at throwing a fatal punch on the other person's argument..
So this is where me and you depart..and separate..

But I can assure you that Darwin and his believers will run out of hadal, writing and ink to write with..before you ever get the chance to proof our religion as backward and stagnant.. and you will never achieve that ..simply because it was meant to out last you and hundreds of generations like you. After all its from God who was there when the first living organism was created and he was the one who created it as he made water major part of every living creature...something darwin never got the chance to know.. Ironic isnt it??

[Hoowle]

I'm actually tired and half asleep. will respond to the rest of your posts tomorrow; gotta hit the sack.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

in other words, u need some time to research

[Shilling]

The theory of Evolution has got to be the most widely acclaimed "scientific" theory that actually has NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS. Why do so many people (esp in the west) believe it and in turn propagate it doesn't really make sense to me other then say, the theory seems to have been developed to justify White Supremacy.

That said, I think many of you would a go a long way by listening to this lecture:

"The Problem Science has with GOD"

http://www.scienceislam.com/audio/no_brainer.html

[Oxy-]

The theory of Evolution has got to be the most widely acclaimed "scientific" theory that actually has NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS. Why do so many people (esp in the west) believe it and in turn propagate it doesn't really make sense to me other then say, the theory seems to have been developed to justify White Supremacy.

That said, I think many of you would a go a long way by listening to this lecture:

"The Problem Science has with GOD"

http://www.scienceislam.com/audio/no_brainer.html

Year after year scientist around the world are uncovering more and more evidence to push forward their theory as fact. Yes its still a "Theory" but ask yourself this, why is their a colossal amount of evidence to support this theory.

People are often hostile to Evolution because it instantly arouses fear that their religion is being undermined. Many scientist stand at a point where they both agree with evolution and agree with the notion that the pioneer of this process also exists "GOD" ... Religion and Evolution can co-exist


Muslims need to overcome their fear and ignorance.

[FAH1223]

Year after year scientist around the world are uncovering more and more evidence to push forward their theory as fact. Yes its still a "Theory" but ask yourself this, why is their a colossal amount of evidence to support this theory.

People are often hostile to Evolution because it instantly arouses fear that their religion is being undermined. Many scientist stand at a point where they both agree with evolution and agree with the notion that the pioneer of this process also exists "GOD" ... Religion and Evolution can co-exist


Muslims need to overcome their fear and ignorance.

It is still a theory. They haven't proved we come from apes.

[Ni Hao]

darwinism is nothing more than a subtle form of fascism!

If we have evolved from apes, what race, nation or people are at the peak of evolution at this point in time? and who are still in their "primitive state".....?

[Grant]

Humans did not descend from apes. Humans ARE apes. The separation between humans and our nearest relative, the Bonobos Chimpanzees, ocurred about six million years ago.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 805AAkMUye

"The reason we're classed as apes is that there is no valid way to group all the other apes together that doesn't also apply to humans. In other words, whatever criteria you use to define what is an ape, in order to include chimpanzees, gorillas, orangs and gibbons, humans will also fit those criteria. Indeed, chimpanzees are more closely related to humans than to gorillas, and gorillas are more closely related to humans and chimpanzees than they are to orangs, so any classification that separated humans out from those other apes would not make any sense."

FYI: We share more than 98% of our DNA with Bonobos Chimpanzees. And look at the commonality of our sex lives!

[eyes-only]

Humans did not descend from apes. Humans ARE apes. The separation between humans and our nearest relative, the Bonobos Chimpanzees, ocurred about six million years ago.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 805AAkMUye

"The reason we're classed as apes is that there is no valid way to group all the other apes together that doesn't also apply to humans. In other words, whatever criteria you use to define what is an ape, in order to include chimpanzees, gorillas, orangs and gibbons, humans will also fit those criteria. Indeed, chimpanzees are more closely related to humans than to gorillas, and gorillas are more closely related to humans and chimpanzees than they are to orangs, so any classification that separated humans out from those other apes would not make any sense."

FYI: We share more than 98% of our DNA with Bonobos Chimpanzees. And look at the commonality of our sex lives!

You just reminded me of my science teacher

[Basra-]

[quote="eyes-only"][quote="Grant"]Humans did not descend from apes. Humans ARE apes. The separation between humans and our nearest relative, the Bonobos Chimpanzees, ocurred about six million years ago.


"The reason we're classed as apes is that there is no valid way to group all the other apes together that doesn't also apply to humans. In other words, whatever criteria you use to define what is an ape, in order to include chimpanzees, gorillas, orangs and gibbons, humans will also fit those criteria.:[/quote]




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Yaaab badaada.


How does an intelligent old man like Grant sit down and declare himself to be an "Ape"? I mean, is this octogenerian loosing it???? What is worst is--Hoowle has posted a graphic photo of a bunch of ape skulls ....to make his point and that just sort of makes me doubt their intelligence and sanity for that matter.I mean, i can understand a nigerian or ghanian or even the south africa zulu descending from apes-- but what i cannot fadhom is someone with refined sharp features like moi, can be viewed as kinship of apes with affection.--i repeat i cannot have sprung from a family of an oragatuan. I just simply refuse this hypothesis.



PS: Where is my belevoed Galool?? Has he chicken out?

[Shilling]

The theory of Evolution has got to be the most widely acclaimed "scientific" theory that actually has NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS. Why do so many people (esp in the west) believe it and in turn propagate it doesn't really make sense to me other then say, the theory seems to have been developed to justify White Supremacy.

That said, I think many of you would a go a long way by listening to this lecture:

"The Problem Science has with GOD"

http://www.scienceislam.com/audio/no_brainer.html

Year after year scientist around the world are uncovering more and more evidence to push forward their theory as fact. Yes its still a "Theory" but ask yourself this, why is their a colossal amount of evidence to support this theory.

People are often hostile to Evolution because it instantly arouses fear that their religion is being undermined. Many scientist stand at a point where they both agree with evolution and agree with the notion that the pioneer of this process also exists "GOD" ... Religion and Evolution can co-exist


Muslims need to overcome their fear and ignorance.

That's not exactly so, in fact day by day flaws are found in Darwin's theory. Look at the ridiculous big bang theory; there is no way if such an explosion was the reason for world that everything would have turned out like it has, I mean in respect the environment and the people so is laughable really. To me it just strengthens Islam's views.

It was Darwin who said that the similarity among vertebrate was "by far the strongest single case in favor of his theory" relying on this:



Left to right, Hog, Calf, Rabbit, Human...well known "fudged" sketches, the worst scientists of his day knew of this deceit.

Case in point, evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. Their theories have helped nothing in the progress of science other than thousands of hoaxes suggesting the theory of evolution should take precedence over the Word of God...

[Grant]

Basra,

Octogenarian? I am in my mid Sixties.

Orangutans are at the far end of the primate scale from humans. We are significantly closer to Chimpanzees, and closest to Bonobos.

Bantus are fully modern humans.

Check out these comparisons of human and Bonobo culture and behavior:

http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/primates.html