Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

[hanqadh]

^^^ are you forgeting to credit shabab and the rest in ousting ethiopia....it wasnt hawiye who kicked out the habash.


Al-shabab does not have the organisational capacity it had let say when ceyrow was around, i think they will die out soon anyway.

[Twisted_Logic]

^^^ are you forgeting to credit shabab and the rest in ousting ethiopia....it wasnt hawiye who kicked out the habash.


Al-shabab does not have the organisational capacity it had let say when ceyrow was around, i think they will die out soon anyway.

It was done by Hawiye. More than 95% of the efforts came from us. Our money, lives and energy were utilized while other Somali clans cheered for the invasion. Let's not forget that

[AbdiWahab252]

TL,

Remember my lectures:

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

dilkan xamar ka socda waxaa ka dambeeya alshabaab,,

c/laahi ciise abtidoon,,intii aan la dilin ka hor ayaa waxaa la sheegay inay lasoo hadleen rag isku heeb yihiin oo alshabab ka tirsan,,waxayna u sheegeen inuu iskaga haro dalwada sherif asagana wuu ka diiday,and few days later he was killed,,

sarkaalkii sharif kariye,,asagana waxaa la sheegay inuu maalin qolo alshabab oo madaafic ka tuureysa xaafada shiirkole inuu ka eryey meeshi ay hoobiyaha ka tuurayeen asgana sidoo kale telefoon ayey usoo direen ayaga u shegay inay maxkadadooda ku xukuntay dil,,


ninka shalayto la dilay cagaweyne asgana wiilasha dilay waa la aqoonsaday oo waa isku beel sida la sheegay,waxayna ka tirsanyihiin alshabaab..

[Voltage]

I guess our people are waking up. Since this death many people have stopped pointing definite fingers at Al Shabaab and now are saying we can't be sure of who is behind this.

[Looyaan_Junior]

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America or not, Hawiye has a right to defend themselves. We have been patient with these terrorists for a very long time, but they haven't stopped killing our people in broad daylight in utter disregard for morality and decency. When the bullets start flying, it won't be America or Ethiopia that will fight for us. We are a race that knows how to defend themselves.

Raganimo!, but don't come here and preach us about dowlad dee hadaba,

[Grant]

[quote="hanqadh"]^^^ are you forgeting to credit shabab and the rest in ousting ethiopia....it wasnt hawiye who kicked out the habash.




The Habashi left as the result of an international agreement because they were seen as an obstacle to peace. The treatment of their Amisom replacements has shown that the issue was not a purely anti-Habash one. Any peacekeeping force, Muslim or Kafir, would have been fought against.

In a practical sense, there are really only two parties out there today: Nabadiid and Nabadoon. The sad reality of the situatuion is that almost none of the militia fighters have known nabad in their lifetime. Their lives have been ruled entirely by qabiil and ideological variations of Diin, in conflict.

To say Somalis drove out the Habash is just more of the stupid militarism that elevates the Sayid over Aweys al Baarawi.
The Sayid built forts, stole camels, and wiped out a third of the Somali population in the North. Aweys wrote spiritual poetry, condemned the Sayid for his womanizing, and established Jamaat. Who ultimately contributed more to the welfare of the Somali people?

http://countrystudies.us/somalia/47.htm

" Local leaders of brotherhoods customarily asked lineage heads in the areas where they wished to settle for permission to build their mosques and communities. A piece of land was usually freely given; often it was an area between two clans or one in which nomads had access to a river. The presence of a jamaa not only provided a buffer zone between two hostile groups, but also caused the giver to acquire a blessing since the land was considered given to God. Tenure was a matter of charity only, however, and sometimes became precarious in case of disagreements. No statistics were available in 1990 on the number of such settlements, but in the 1950s there were more than ninety in the south, with a total of about 35,000 members. Most were in the Bakool, Gedo, and Bay regions or along the middle and lower Shabeelle River. There were few jamaat in other regions because the climate and soil did not encourage agricultural settlements."

I have said it before and I will probably say it again: I feel personally that a review of Aweys' theology and material practices is is order.

[Looyaan_Junior]

Grant,



And who the hell are you to preach us aboout our own history and political and religious philosophies.

To say Habasha left because of "international agreement" is the most foolish thing any independent commentator would say (unless of course you held a biased view) when the fact is the contrary, Habasha were facing both mounting military losses and the ever increasing cost of their involvement. No doubt that their present has exacerbated the situation further causing death and destruction it also was politically disasterious for US (international community) which backed the illegal invasion.

However, when all the objections of the invasion failed (thanks to the resistance of Somali fighters), the same agents who supporter them ie US (international community) started a face saving exercise, portraying themselves as supporters of peace and reconcilations (when in fact they were responsible for worst humaterian crisis in Africa) for supporting Habashas.

[Grant]

Grant,



And who the hell are you to preach us aboout our own history and political and religious philosophies.

To say Habasha left because of "international agreement" is the most foolish thing any independent commentator would say (unless of course you held a biased view) when the fact is the contrary, Habasha were facing both mounting military losses and the ever increasing cost of their involvement. No doubt that their present has exacerbated the situation further causing death and destruction it also was politically disasterious for US (international community) which backed the illegal invasion.

However, when all the objections of the invasion failed (thanks to the resistance of Somali fighters), the same agents who supporter them ie US (international community) started a face saving exercise, portraying themselves as supporters of peace and reconcilations (when in fact they were responsible for worst humaterian crisis in Africa) for supporting Habashas.

It is exactly his kind of ignorance and uninformed arrogance that is killing Somalis on a daily basis.

[eyes-only]

It's most probably Al Shabaab

[Looyaan_Junior]

It is exactly his kind of ignorance and uninformed arrogance that is killing Somalis on a daily basis.

And an octagerian technician and white man from Oaklahoma suppose to know about the prognosis of ailing somali masses, this kind of condescending view is not uncommon from people in your hemishphere. I never felt so insulted....

btw, did you know the so called UN resolution on Somalia specifically proibited neighbouring countries to participate in any military/peace keeping force on Somalia and paradoxically the same UN resolution become the first UN resolution to transform a peacefull city into city of death..... perhaps a little enlightment for your shrinked brain....

[eyes-only]

Looyaan, Grant is kind of right....Al Shabaab and all the other fighters may have provided pressure on the Ethiopian government to withdraw but they were not the cause of their withdrawal in the end. The Ethiopians wanted to leave Somalia because they were no longer going to get support from the US due to the change of leadership in America and also because the entire US strategy for that region proved to be counterproductive. It was agreed with the international community that if a platform was provided for the Ethiopians to withdraw without losing face over this whole affair they would take it...and so, one was provided through creating a new coalition government headed by Sh Shariif.....making everyone happy (well, at least on the surface on it). Our boys may have made sure there was continued unrest in Somalia but they didn't get rid of the beats.

My point is, it doesn't matter whether this Grant guy is white or yellow....we should all be able to see the truth for what it is and not dwell in wishful thinking or false propaganda when we don't really need to.

[Alluring]

I think Mogadishu is not only occupied by Somalis. There are various groups, who continue to divide the Somalis. If we were united ONCE, we can do it AGAIN.

[snoop12]

I think Mogadishu is not only occupied by Somalis. There are various groups, who continue to divide the Somalis. If we were united ONCE, we can do it AGAIN.

we need a TRUE somali Wadani, to narrow down the search, look into Beesha Marexan Sade

it will probably end up in dictatorship but what else can you do when the oppositions want to sell our waters, cut down our trees, kill our youth, demolish our buildings, displace our citizens etc etc

Hurray for good dictatorship

[Somaliman50]

I think Mogadishu is not only occupied by Somalis. There are various groups, who continue to divide the Somalis. If we were united ONCE, we can do it AGAIN.

we need a TRUE somali Wadani, to narrow down the search, look into Beesha Marexan Sade

it will probably end up in dictatorship but what else can you do when the oppositions want to sell our waters, cut down our trees, kill our youth, demolish our buildings, displace our citizens etc etc

Hurray for good dictatorship

You pro-Dictatorship folks need a reality check. What makes you think the remnant's Siyad Barre's regime can solve anything? Siyad Barre had the loyalty of the nation at a time when weaponry was uncommon to the average Somali. Siyad Barre had power at a time when most of our parents and generations were nomads who only cared about managing their daily personal affairs. Today the nation suffers from a humanitarian crisis and whoever is free from that is armed to the teeth. Somalia has a thriving business community who would never support a return to the Economic policies of Siyad Barre. Siyad Barre took that loyalty for granted and did not think the Somali people would notice that. If Siyad Barre's remnants had the power to solve the problems today they would have surived and completely crushed the uprising against them in the first place.