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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby snoop12 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:24 pm

what do you know about the economic history of Somalia, im sure your second class kin never reached high enough to study somali economics :lol: :lol: my uncle was a high rank banker yeah so i should know what i am talking about..

and i dont want to go into a debate about the old government again, its pointless discussing it with a unreasonable ignorant racist such as yourself, first get rid of your inferiority complex and except the fact that you are Hawiyo, and try to be proud without savagely attacking your neighbors with machetes :|

Siyad Barre had power at a time when most of our parents and generations were nomads who only cared about managing their daily personal affairs.


:shock: Lol.. maybe you but NOT the 90% of somalis who strives for knowledge and self sufficiency

listen to yourself for a second.. so its MSB (aun) fault that somalis are nomadic?? i think he did a very good job, recording our history in audio and WRITTEN somali, also the fact that he managed to improve literacy up to 90%, and how the University of Muqodisho standards were elevated from a very CRAP University to extremely impressive one that lodged international students mostly African and Asian, im glad he did his best to enhance and preserve our tradition/culture/academy and other factors that good societies consist of.

to bad that you fail to appreciate your countries achievement, not unexpected from a backward bafoon :lost:

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Grant » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:35 pm

Looyaan_Junior wrote:
Grant wrote:It is exactly his kind of ignorance and uninformed arrogance that is killing Somalis on a daily basis. :x


And an octagerian technician and white man from Oaklahoma suppose to know about the prognosis of ailing somali masses, this kind of condescending view is not uncommon from people in your hemishphere. I never felt so insulted.... :x

btw, did you know the so called UN resolution on Somalia specifically proibited neighbouring countries to participate in any military/peace keeping force on Somalia and paradoxically the same UN resolution become the first UN resolution to transform a peacefull city into city of death..... perhaps a little enlightment for your shrinked brain.... :x :x



Looyan_Junior,

You deserve the odd insult. Learn to read English and read something before you condemn what others have to say. I am neither eighty nor from Oaklahoma, and I have clearly read a lot more Somali history than you have. A six-month-long trash clean-up program did not make Mog a peaceful city. All it did was give new fracture points time to develop. :P

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Twisted_Logic » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:10 pm

abakar20 wrote:
snoop12 wrote:
Alluring wrote:I think Mogadishu is not only occupied by Somalis. There are various groups, who continue to divide the Somalis. If we were united ONCE, we can do it AGAIN.


we need a TRUE somali Wadani, to narrow down the search, look into Beesha Marexan Sade :up:

it will probably end up in dictatorship but what else can you do when the oppositions want to sell our waters, cut down our trees, kill our youth, demolish our buildings, displace our citizens etc etc

Hurray for good dictatorship :clap:


You pro-Dictatorship folks need a reality check. What makes you think the remnant's Siyad Barre's regime can solve anything? Siyad Barre had the loyalty of the nation at a time when weaponry was uncommon to the average Somali. Siyad Barre had power at a time when most of our parents and generations were nomads who only cared about managing their daily personal affairs. Today the nation suffers from a humanitarian crisis and whoever is free from that is armed to the teeth. Somalia has a thriving business community who would never support a return to the Economic policies of Siyad Barre. Siyad Barre took that loyalty for granted and did not think the Somali people would notice that. If Siyad Barre's remnants had the power to solve the problems today they would have surived and completely crushed the uprising against them in the first place.


:lol:

The irony is this is coming from some-one who calls Gedo home :lol:

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Mataan_Ciideed » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:26 pm

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don't fall for grant's trap. grant has been taking subliminal shots at the somali people since his first day on snet.

what grant is failing to understand, is that guerrilla warfare is part of modern warfare, and that u don't have to decisively defeat your enemy in battles. guerilla tactics are to bog down the enemy, make them suffer heavy losses, and force them to change their initial objective of war or retreat. for instance, the vietnamese didn't decisively defeat the americans in any battle, but thru guerilla warfare, they've made it impossible for the americans to sustain their campaign in vietnam, and the communist who the americans where tyring to destroy, consalidated their power and the communist party rules nam to this day.

the ethiopians and their american handlers objective of the war was to destroy the islamic movement in somalia, and replace it with a secular government led by ina yuusuf that they could control. initially, they've managed to destroy much of the islamic union and succeeded in capturing the headquarters of the islamic union, muqadisho. but that didn't satisfy the ethiopians and their american handlers, who were hell bent on completely destroying the somali islamist movement. they ( the ethiopians ) followed the remnants of the islamic union deep into the jungles of raas kaambooni ( xasan turki's strong hold ) and were met with great resistance from the ogaadeen mujaahids. it's estimated that the ethiopians lost 1500 to 2000 soldiers in the jungles of raas kaambooni, and were forced to abandon their campaign in jubbooyinka. the muqaawama was able to regroup in raas kaambooni, and soon, the fighting against the ethiopians spread like wild fire into much of southern somalia.

fast forward 2 years later, and it became obvious to the ethiopians and their american handlers that they couldn't sustain their campaign in somalia, and had to look for a face saving exit strategy, and that came in the figure of sheekh shariif and his less militant wing of the islamists.

the islamist who the ethiopians and their american handlers tried to destroy are now ( wether it's sheekh shariif's wing, or the more militant shabaab/raaskaambooni ) basically ruling all of southern somalia.

so for anyone to say that somalis had nothing to do with ethiopia's withdrawal, and that it came about solely due to international mood change is simply naive and WRONG, and doesn't understand that guerrilla warfare is now officially part of modern military tactics.



back to the topic: it's obvious that alshabaab are behind these killings. i believe that al shabaab are a major threat to somalia's future and must be eliminated. hopefully my ogaadeen uncle sheekh turki would make up with his old friend sheekh shariif and help to squeeze alshabaab out of the picture.

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Grant » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:14 pm

Mataan_Ciideed wrote:eyes only

don't fall for grant's trap. grant has been taking subliminal shots at the somali people since his first day on snet.

what grant is failing to understand, is that guerrilla warfare is part of modern warfare, and that u don't have to decisively defeat your enemy in battles. guerilla tactics are to bog down the enemy, make them suffer heavy losses, and force them to change their initial objective of war or retreat. for instance, the vietnamese didn't decisively defeat the americans in any battle, but thru guerilla warfare, they've made it impossible for the americans to sustain their campaign in vietnam, and the communist who the americans where tyring to destroy, consalidated their power and the communist party rules nam to this day.

the ethiopians and their american handlers objective of the war was to destroy the islamic movement in somalia, and replace it with a secular government led by ina yuusuf that they could control. initially, they've managed to destroy much of the islamic union and succeeded in capturing the headquarters of the islamic union, muqadisho. but that didn't satisfy the ethiopians and their american handlers, who were hell bent on completely destroying the somali islamist movement. they ( the ethiopians ) followed the remnants of the islamic union deep into the jungles of raas kaambooni ( xasan turki's strong hold ) and were met with great resistance from the ogaadeen mujaahids. it's estimated that the ethiopians lost 1500 to 2000 soldiers in the jungles of raas kaambooni, and were forced to abandon their campaign in jubbooyinka. the muqaawama was able to regroup in raas kaambooni, and soon, the fighting against the ethiopians spread like wild fire into much of southern somalia.

fast forward 2 years later, and it became obvious to the ethiopians and their american handlers that they couldn't sustain their campaign in somalia, and had to look for a face saving exit strategy, and that came in the figure of sheekh shariif and his less militant wing of the islamists.

the islamist who the ethiopians and their american handlers tried to destroy are now ( wether it's sheekh shariif's wing, or the more militant shabaab/raaskaambooni ) basically ruling all of southern somalia.

so for anyone to say that somalis had nothing to do with ethiopia's withdrawal, and that it came about solely due to international mood change is simply naive and WRONG, and doesn't understand that guerrilla warfare is now officially part of modern military tactics.



back to the topic: it's obvious that alshabaab are behind these killings. i believe that al shabaab are a major threat to somalia's future and must be eliminated. hopefully my ogaadeen uncle sheekh turki would make up with his old friend sheekh shariif and help to squeeze alshabaab out of the picture.


:shock: I agree with Mataan_Ciideed's final paragraph. :clap:

The rest is BS. There is VERY LITTLE to compare between Somalia and Vietnam. The Vietnamese were divided North and South, but the Southern government were French/Western puppets, with what was seen as a non-Vietmnamese culture, while the people were for the most part united in favor of an independant political existence under chairman Ho. The ideological batle was pretty much over before the Americans even got there, and the physical battle was a true national effort. Somalia, on the other hand, is reft by clan, subclan and a variety of religious ideologies that have so far prevented any real national union. The guerilla war in Somalia is being waged by group on group at least to the extent it is being waged against the international and Amisom "peacekeepers". The Darood want to dominate the South, which puts them in conflict with the Hawiye. The Issac want a country of their own. So there is no national unity of the people.

This guerilla war is mostly just killing Somalis, which is why I make the comparison to the Sayid's campaign.

P.S., MC,

Please let me know immediately if you catch me making any more subliminal shots at Somalis. I will want to clarify anything that is not crystal clear and straight on. Subliminal is not what I am shooting for.

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Murax » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:23 pm

I rarely agree with Grant on anything but He's actually spot on. Ethiopia wasn't "forced" to leave Somalia, but there was a policy shift in Washington and Ethiopia was told to withdraw. Infact in the last days of Ethiopian troops in Somalia, Zenawi was hoping Geedi would be elected in Baydhabo so that Geedi would authorize more Eitho troops but Nuur Cadde, the International community and the entire TFG vetoed and elected a Presdient in Djoubti with the agreement that Ethiopia is to leave. Ethiopia never wanted to leave Somalia, and there itching to come back if this Gov fails. :idea:

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby eyes-only » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:50 pm

Mataan, I agree with most of what you said however I never said Somalis had nothing to do with the Ethiopian withdrawal...I know that Somalis had everything to do with it. All I was saying was that in the end what worked the most was not just fighting a guerrilla war but also finding a diplomatic solution through Sh. Shariif and the unity government....the military wing could only manage to inflict pressure on the Ethiopians, laakin if the Americans and their mates thought having Ethiopia in there was working or getting them anywhere, they would have remained there no matter how many poor Ethiopians and Somalis died in the process.....the changes in world politics, the global economy and the realisation that the illegal invasion was counterproductive and served no purpose other than exacerbating a humanitarian crisis are all factors to consider when assessing why Ethiopia suddenly pulled out its troops.

Btw, I know what this Grant guy is all about but sometimes what he says is not far from the truth :lol:

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Megatron » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:55 pm

Grant's a bit ornery today. Whoda thunk it ? :lol: His points are well taken on paper, but the FACT of the matter is that zamalek is right. The bottom line is that xabaash don't have anywhere NEAR the fighting heart of Somalis, and thus have been looking for a graceful exit since 2007 due to the asskicking theyd been receiving at the hands of a ragtag militia. International agreement indeed. The Obama admin served as only the excuse for them to leave with their tails between their legs.

P.S If xabaash are such mighty warriors, why in the name of their entire existance have they been unable to take some Somali soil to break their landlock ? Because thyre chickenhearted and didnt have the stomach for guerilla warfare, as Mattaan outlined above.

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby snoop12 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:11 pm

Twisted_Logic wrote:
abakar20 wrote:
You pro-Dictatorship folks need a reality check. What makes you think the remnant's Siyad Barre's regime can solve anything? Siyad Barre had the loyalty of the nation at a time when weaponry was uncommon to the average Somali. Siyad Barre had power at a time when most of our parents and generations were nomads who only cared about managing their daily personal affairs. Today the nation suffers from a humanitarian crisis and whoever is free from that is armed to the teeth. Somalia has a thriving business community who would never support a return to the Economic policies of Siyad Barre. Siyad Barre took that loyalty for granted and did not think the Somali people would notice that. If Siyad Barre's remnants had the power to solve the problems today they would have surived and completely crushed the uprising against them in the first place.


:lol:

The irony is this is coming from some-one who calls Gedo home :lol:


you fool, me and abakar's tribes are from the same region GALGADUUD, quite far away from Gedo :idea: and in the other topic i was told that i am Rer Banadir, since both my parents and i was born their :|

MORIYANISM has taken its toll on you my friend, seek help, Xamar is not Hawiyolan and it will never be that way :lol: :mrgreen:

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Twisted_Logic » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:15 pm

Snoop,

I support the development of Gedo. The displaced Marehan youth in the diaspora should come back and contribute to their land/people. The 1991 era is over :up:

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby eyes-only » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:20 pm

Megatron wrote:Grant's a bit ornery today. Whoda thunk it ? :lol: His points are well taken on paper, but the FACT of the matter is that zamalek is right. The bottom line is that xabaash don't have anywhere NEAR the fighting heart of Somalis, and thus have been looking for a graceful exit since 2007 due to the asskicking theyd been receiving at the hands of a ragtag militia. International agreement indeed. The Obama admin served as only the excuse for them to leave with their tails between their legs.

P.S If xabaash are such mighty warriors, why in the name of their entire existance have they been unable to take some Somali soil to break their landlock ? Because thyre chickenhearted and didnt have the stomach for guerilla warfare, as Mattaan outlined above.

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I don't like the idea that Somalis have a 'fighting heart' that others lack.....Anyone who feels they have nothing to lose will not have fear of war and that is what some Somalis have that maybe others don't. No one ever wins a war with a gun....they may agree to fight another day but such a win/truce is more like losing. To win/end a war, you have to find a diplomatic solution.

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Megatron » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:22 pm

I agree, but that fighting heart is what has kept them from being steamrolled by Ethiopia these past centuries. If not for it, you'd be speaking xabaash by now. :lol:

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby eyes-only » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:27 pm

Maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad thing and one more language to add to my list would have done me world of good.

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby Megatron » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:28 pm

then change the dogtags in your avatar to Image

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Re: Who is REALLY, REALLY behind the killings in Muqdisho?

Postby snoop12 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:34 pm

Twisted_Logic wrote:Snoop,

I support the development of Gedo. The displaced Marehan youth in the diaspora should come back and contribute to their land/people. The 1991 era is over :up:


why are you telling me this, i thought i made it clear to you that Qabiil ahaan i come from Galgaduud :!:

what is up with you and your obsession with Rer Gedo :shock: , Rer Gedo beat the crap out of the whole Hawiyo aggressors :clap: what does that tell you? and anyway dont you think you should be more concern about your sisters having babies with Jareer from Uganda, no wait :lol: :lol: i forgot that was the happy ending your people so desperately needed after being abused by HIV Xabashi :clap:

Dont mention Rer Gedo, you are simply not fit to do so :arrow:


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