The Conquest of Abyssinia

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Somali-Emir, thanks for the contribution. You have done a lot of good and important research and your analytical version of the history of Horn of Africa is an interesting part of this thread.

Let me respond to the Mareahan kids.


Nur Ibn Mujahid as Muslim did accomplish a lot but his link to the clan of Marehaan is a constructed myth. I read that book from which this part of Nur Ibn Mujahid's story was extracted. It's a book that was written by an English historian who lived in Mogadisho once and fell in the close circle of friends of the former dictator of Somalia. His book, which is a collection of amazing individuals from Africa, was partially sponsored by Barre. In its preface, he refers to Siyad Barre and his visit to Somalia more than 11 times. Therefore, this is the only book/source, Volume 20, where the weak link between Mareehaan and Nur ibn-Mujahid is made in desperate attempt to bring his clan out of the historical bankruptcy, which is known throughout Somalia.


However, for those interested in the contribution of the Somali clans in the 15 years of Conquest of Abyssinia, you will find that, according to Sihab ad Din, Marehaan deserted the campaign several times and the author ridicules them as people who "loved double-dealing and swindles from a poverty-stricken state (state = country/settlement.") He even punished them.

And the title of their Chieftain, in the book, was named Hirabu bin Goita Tedros. (The word Goita is a Tegrenya for master or lord. P. 42). He was probably a non-Somali, most likely Tigrinya. The source of the middle name of their chieftain is in the footnote of the book. It's not a Somali name.

However, the Gerad of Geri Koobe, Mattan bin Uthman bin Kaled, was Imam Ahmed's Brother in Law. Imam Ahmed trusted him more than any other patrician. When the Mareehaan and their small archers deserted, Imam Ahmed organized his Somali troops and named Mattan as the Commander in Chief. Before this incident, every clan has its own Emir and commander, so there was lack of coordination within the army units.

"After that, the Muslims stood their ground. The tribe of the Somalis said it was the tribe of Harla that gave us away' while the tribe of Harla said it was the Somali tribe that gave us away. The Imam split his forces into three divisions. All the Somalis were in one division whose command he entrusted to Mattan." Page 44

Here is another of the Koombe duo.

"Then the Imam tied a red standard to a spear and entrusted it to his brother in law MAttan bin Uthman bin Khaled, the Somali, their chieftain, their knight, and the most courageous, the bravest of them all. There rallied to him one-hundred-and-ten Knights and three-thousand infantry, along with the tribe of Harti" Page 50

[djibsomali]

I am sorry to burst your bubble my dear siyad barre kacan children feeded with little propaganda such as the ancient people of awdal were tribes found now at the border of kenya.

But the reality is here!!
the history can be found here in awdal not some little drawing and writing commissioned by siyad barreh regime.
See if you want to study roman history you have to go to rome and italy.
same if you want to study greek history you have to go to atthen.

Therefore you want to study ahmed gurey history you have to go to awdal and zeila.

you got to ask the sultan of zeila like : Suldan Ibrahim Jamac Samatar
who recently have honored in zeila the honorable guest, the sultan Suldan Cabdulqadir Xumad Maxamed (afar) of Tadjoura (djibouti).

Suldaanka Beelaha Maxamed Case, Suldan Ibrahim Jamac Samatar iyo oday dhaqameedyo uu hogaaminayo ayaa si diiran degmada Saylac ee gobolka Selel ugu soo dhaweeyey Suldan Cabdulqadir Xumad Maxamed oo ka socda beesha canfarta Jabuuti ee gobolka Tadjoura. Halkaasna waxa lagu balamay in 27 Juun lagu kulmo Tadjoura.







Hadaba waraysiga suldan Ibrahim Jamac Samatar siiyey Radio Horyaal ayaa u dhacay sidan:

Weriye Sayid: Waa maxay ujeedada safarka suldanka Jabuuti?

Suldan Ibrahim: Haa way jirtaa inaan kusoo dhawaynay suldan canfarta ah oo ka socday Tadjoura, inaanu magaalada Saylac ee gobolka Selel kusoo dhawaynay; taasina waxay tahay arimo ku sahabsan xaga dhaqanka ee labada dawladood ee jaarka ah ee Jamhuuriyada Jabuuti iyo Jamhuuriyada Somaliland gaar ahaan magaalada Saylac iyo gobolka Tadjoura; xidhiidh dhaqan oo maad aragtayee aan doonayno inuu shaqeeyo oo bilow ah ayuu ahaa waxaanan ku marti qaadnay suldaankaa iyo wafti balaadhan oo uu watay oo dhaqan ah oo ay ku jireen madax dhaqmeedyo faro badan, ururada haweenka, kooxaha hide iyo dhaqanka, ayaanu kusoo dhawaynay;

Anagoo anaguna ah maamulkii gobolka Selel iyo salaadiintii oo aan hogaaminayo anigu ayaan kusoo dhawaynay halkaa wuxuu ahaa arin is dhexgal dhaqan labada dhaqan oo maad aragtayee soo jireen ahaa oo magaalada Saylac oo taariikh qadiim leh oo la yaqaanay oo ahaa meelihii markuu islamku unkamay meelihii uu ka unkamay ee Islamku kasoo galay Somaliland; ee oo markaa ay jirtay in rag badan oo Canfarta ah ay deganaan jireen oo meeshan [Saylac] ay degaan ku lahaayeen, arinkaa ayey dabo socotay ee sidaasaana aan ugu soo dhawaynay;

Si faacan ayaan maad aragtaayee arinkii iskula qaadanay; Xaflad wayn oo balaadhan ayaa la dhigay habeenimadii; taasoo la’isku waydaarsaday dhaqankii Saylicigii iyo dhaqankii Tadjoourigii oo run ahaantii aad la’isku dhex galay ayna noqotayba inay labada dhaqan ay isku mid yihiin;

Weriye Sayid: Suldan marka laga yimaado madax dhaqameedyadaa iyo saladiinta reer Somaliland ee aad hogaaminaysay ee ka qayb galay soo dhawaynta suldanka een … Cid kale oo xukuumada Somaliland ka socotay oo aad noo sheegi karaysaa ma jirtaa?

Suldan Ibrahim: Haa way jirtaa oo madaxda gobolka iyo degmaduba way joogeen oo iyagaana maamulka iyo qabanqaabada soo dhawayntiiba aad uga qayb galay; waxa lana joogay gudoomiyaha gobolka Selel; een waxa joogay meyerkii ama gudoomiyaha degmada iyo gudoomiye ku xigeenkii degmada iyo taliyihii qaybta Poliska - madaxdii gobolku way u dhanayd oo way ku jireen soo dhawaynta

Weriye Sayid: Een muxuu suldanku ka sheegay magaalada Saylac markaad kusoo dhawayseen ee uu ku tilmaamay ujeedada rasmiga ah ee socdaalkiisu inay la xidhiidho?

Suldan Ibrahim: Suldanku wuxuu sheegay oo aan isla wada ogayn in booqashadani ay tahay booqasho walaaltinimo oo ay daba socdaan dhaqan jirijiray oo ka jiray Saylac iyo Tadjoura - oo xitaa la’isla soo qaday in caroosyada marka…een…arooska marka matalan la dhisayo in marna Saylac laga galbin oo Tadjoura la gayn jiray qaarna Tadjoura laga soo galbin jiray oo ilaa Saylac la keeni jiray;

Een salaadiin faro badan oo iman jirtay wakhtiyo gaar ah Saylac oo soo booqan jirtay oo awoowyaasii aha ay jireen markaa wuxuu la xidhiidhay siduu suldaanuba sheegay ee anguna aan ogayn safarkani wuxuu ahaa safar daba socda dhaqan soo jireen ahaa oo ka dhexeeyey labadaa magaalo oo aan doonayno inaan soo noolayno; een balanqaad …isaguna wuxuu halkaa ku balan qaaday in taa tu lamida lagu qaban doono Tadjoura oo 27 bishan Juun; ee iyaguna marti qaad ay fidiyeen in loogu tago halkaa maad aragtayee dhaqankii la wadaago.

Weriye Sayid: een Dhawaan dhawaan waxa jiray xafaldo loogu dabaal dageyey inuu xilka sii hayo madaxwaynaha Jabuuti kuwaasoo qaar ka mid ahna adiga laf ahaantaadu ka qayb gashay kana hadashay; arimahaas oo dhan iyo socdaalka suldanka marka la’isku geeyo een ma’la odhan karaa xidhiidh cusub iyo arimo cusub ayey kusoo kordhiyeen labada wadan ee Somaliland iyo Jabuuti dhexdooda?

Suldan Ibrahim: Haa kolayba Somaliland iyo Jabuuti waa dad walaalo ah; waa dad maad aragtayee isku dhaqan ah; waa dad isku mid ah; xuduudkaa ayuunbaa ina kala qaybiyee dadka Jabuuti degani waa dadka halkan degan; dadka halkan deganina waa dadka Jabuuti degan ee markaa xidhiidhka Somaliland iyo Jabuuti, marar dhexdaas ah hayara xumaado, laakiin xidhiidh fiican buu ahaa. Waa xidhiidh ilaa heer wasiiro la’isku diray oo wasiiro faro badani ay tageen ee ay ka qayb galeen halkeenana ay wasiiro reer Jabuuti ahi ay yimaadeen; tii uunbay la mid tahay taasi. Markaa taa hore ee lagu qabtay gobolada aad sheegtay ee Borame waa lagu qabtay, Hargeysa waa lagu qabtay, Gebilay waa lagu qabtay, Ilaa berbera waa lagu qabtay;

Taasina waxay ahayd uun, waxaan tusaynay walaalaheena reer Jabuuti sida aynu u jecelnahay wanaagooda iyo een…jiritaankooda aynu u jecelnahay..een tan imikuna waa tu dhaqan oo dhinac hadii kolay tii kale u socotay tani dhaqan ahaan ayey tani ahayd - taa hore siyaasadbaa laga yaabaa inay ku jirto..een madaxwaynaa la’lahaa haloo kordhiyo…tanise waxay ahayd dhaqan saafiyey ahayd.

[djibsomali]

Inchallah
I will get you some pictures of the decendent of Ahmed gurey in zeila and borama

[abdikarim86]

^ i thought he had no decentdents

[djibsomali]

abdikarim86 i was kidding and just a figure of speech.

The Abrayn guy was really busy and had not time to make children.

[abdikarim86]

waan ku fahmay

[SomaliAmir]

SOmaliAmir:

wonder if ur related to voltage our resident idiot who always seems to believe who can get the pearls by skimming the surface...

The insatiable greed coated in religion fanaticism that drove brutish europe and the papacy into the muslim and world and indian ocean is not as simple as u think. The legend of prestor john is a legend only in that there were no christian kings anymore in the horn of Africa that controlled the trade in the orient, that nation had long accepted Islam...the highland midgets heretics have been illegitametly married to the name of Ethiopia, Axum and Sheba, and even Habasha by western geopolitical strategy...no different really from your stupid ploy to insinuate into Axmed Al-Ghazi and Adal/Ifat with the naked savage tribe like marexaan.


"...No sooner had Bishop Otto reported the existence of Prester John and of the River of Paradise in his realm, then the Pope issued a formal call for the resumption of the Crusades. Two years later, in 1147, Emperor Conrad of Germany, accompanied by other rulers and many nobles, launched the Second Crusade. "As the fortunes of the Crusaders rose and fell, Europe was swept anew by word from Prester John and his promises of aid. According to chroniclers of those days, Prester John sent in 1165 a letter to the Byzantine emperor, to the Holy Roman emperor, and to lesser kings, in which he declared his definite intention to come to the Holy Land with his armies. Again his realm was described in glowing terms, as befits the place where the River of Paradise - indeed, the Gates of Paradise - were situated." Harbay, reigning Zagwe monarch of Ethiopia before his brother Lalibela deposed him, is deduced to have been the mythical Prester John. "Derived from Jano, a reddish-purple toga worn only by royalty, the word [Jan] meant 'king' or 'Majesty'..." - Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

Guryasama, Walaal you have an air of Arogence about you so pray tell what make you such an expert on the region history

[Grant]

I found these links interesting:

The Wiki article on Dawit II:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawit_II_of_Ethiopia

The Ahmad Gragn wars of revolt:

http://ethiopiawar.com/the-ahmed-gragn- ... 0%93-1543/

The Sultans of Adal:

http://www.royalark.net/Ethiopia/harrar.htm

The history of Harar:

http://www.cpamedia.com/history/harar_e ... slim_city/

[SomaliAmir]

SomaliAmir:


Is that a historical map lol The trade in the region was centered in the somaliland coast, namely berbera and zeila and Adal/Ifat was the political, economicali and spiritual centerl for the horn african muslims, replacing Axum. This is the indisputable answer to the fundemantal questions regarding the region...like I said the illegitimate kids of kacaan and their stupid fantasies know no limit. Here is a real historical map

http://s631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33 ... 155427.jpg

that a really historical maps Gurysame, it shows the region dynamics of 13th century during Abysinia greatest period of expansion into muslim territories to the south and the east.
frankly, if you know so much why take a narrow view of history, after all Adal was just one of several muslim Sultanates. what happened in Damot or Hadiya effect IFat which ultimately affective Adal. and just for you information Berbera was insignificant to the trade in the region until after 17th century century after much of Adal had disinterated to petty Shiekdoms. Zeila was alway the largest and most import port in Middle ages it was only after that other port like Berbera, Toujoura etc come into their own.

furthermore, people would take you more serious if you didn't diss people or hide your obvious gabil agenda behind a vaneer of historica knowledge.

[Hussein53]

If anyone did not know who Habr Magdi are I have come to your rescue:

They are Issaq because Issaq are divided into 2
1. Habr Habashod
2. Habr Magado= Habr Magdi.

Magado and Habashod (ethiopian women) are the 2 wives of Shiekh Issaq (the Arab man with bani Hasham lineage and originally from Bagdad)

Shiekh Issaq have 4 sons from Magado and 4 sons from Habashod and 10 from a wife in Yemen.

I believe the reason why the book does not mention Habr Habashod is probably because they are very small in number and Habr Magado out number them.

The clans from Habr magado are Habr Awal, Garhajis, Arab and Ayub. Habr Jeclo come from Habr Habashod.

So the book is mentioning the Issaq tribe Habr Magado and there land that they settle in and pretty much the same piece of land The Sacad Musa live in today. That is between Harar and Berbera, Hargeisa being the centre of the two towns (obviously hargeisa did not exist in those days).

P.S Habashod and Magado are nick names. And there originally names are not known.

[Hussein53]

If anyone did not know who Habr Magdi are I have come to your rescue:

They are Issaq because Issaq are divided into 2
1. Habr Habashod
2. Habr Magado= Habr Magdi.

Magado and Habashod (ethiopian women) are the 2 wives of Shiekh Issaq (the Arab man with bani Hasham lineage and originally from Bagdad)

Shiekh Issaq have 4 sons from Magado and 4 sons from Habashod and 10 from a wife in Yemen.

I believe the reason why the book does not mention Habr Habashod is probably because they are very small in number and Habr Magado out number them.

The clans from Habr magado are Habr Awal, Garhajis, Arab and Ayub. Habr Jeclo come from Habr Habashod.

So the book is mentioning the Issaq tribe Habr Magado and there land that they settle in and pretty much the same piece of land The Sacad Musa live in today. That is between Harar and Berbera, Hargeisa being the centre of the two towns (obviously hargeisa did not exist in those days).

P.S Habashod and Magado are nick names. And there originally names are not known and I would like to add Shiekh Issaq also has a Mosque in his name in harar due to respect to this honourable Shiekh who came to Somalia to spread the deen of Islam and is buried in Hees iyo Merd in Sanaag region.

[Voltage]

Find me the statement in the original source its simple. I have only seen you guys peddling this white man's statement on these boards...teach me something for once lol

Here is the original source if you want to find it:


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One last point, i missed this post, the 1977 date clears up a lot regarding your qoute earlier from your white man said source, the moral being Afweyne was a disgrace and so are his illegitimate kacaan kids.

You have already proven you are illiterate so this is not quite surprising.

This book is a book of African Historical Biographies which was put together in 1977 by that African author. In the book are the biographies of many African historical personalities written over the times and that African author is not the author but the editor who brought all the biographies together.

The sources used to compile the actual article of Emir Nuur all come from before the 1940's as been shown within the article itself written by historian Harvel Sabestian.

Then again, you have already proven how illiterate you are by saying you "found" the link of a map on google but did not so much have the wits to link it here.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Thanks Hussein for the Info.

[Voltage]

Ahmed Gurey, you are that Warsangeli kid from San Diego is who is well known around here for registering multiple names to attack Marehan as if you have a history of being raped by a Marehan man. Look at you talk about where the source of that article came from, when I have posted the direct book which is an edit of African historical biographies organized by an African man. Whether it is Gerri or Marehan, they are neither Warsangeli Harti so let that sink in.

And it is laughable to see you under the impression as if you are the only man who read the Futah, which is not an academic source nor a particularly factual source in my opinion since it is the personal commentary of a man which has no competition for first-hand viewpoints from such time, and because of that you seem to think you are some sort of an scholar because of it. We have read the Futah and then some sxb.

From the Futah

''A tribe called Girri then came to the imam. A dispute had arisen between them and their companions in another tribe called the Marraihan whose emir was called Hirabu, so the imam Ahmed sent a message to Hirabu emir of the Somalis, to make peace between them.''

Thereupon Hirabu appointed his nephew to command the Marraihan and they rallied around the imam -ninety cavalry and more than seven-hundred footsoldiers- with Hirabu bringing up the rear. The imam went back to his city of Harar, taking the tribe of Marraihan with him.''

"After this, the Imam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu (Marehan)."

Famed Ethiopian/East African historian Pankhurst (gotten from Warsame 101)

I was once skimming through a rare book titled 'The Ethiopian Royal Chronicles' (1967) by Pankhurst which contrains translations of ancient historical Ethiopian texts. Though it was pro-Ethiopian in its content, you could still derive some truth from it.

The ethnic Somalis had several chieftains led by the principal chieftain named Hiraabu and two religious leaders (Imaam Axmed Gurey and his nephew/cousin Nuur ibn Mujaahid). If Axmed Gurey chose the path of being only a mere Somali chieftain, he wouldn't have beeen able to lead several nation under a massive banner so he instead distanced himself from any relation to a particular tribe/nation lest he was perceived as a clan leader.

Pankhust (p.51) writes and I quote:

"They went to find the Imam, having at their head Hirabu, who was followed by all the Somalis ; they concluded a complete and sincere peace with Ahmed"

Also because of the Somali archers, namely the Marehan and the Gerri archers, the Imam was able to defeat the numerical superior Ethiopian Army that consisted of 16,000 cavalry and more than 200,000 infantry.

Richard Pankhurst mentions in 'An Introduction to the Economic History of Ethiopia, from Early Times to 1800':

On 7 or 9 March 1529, at the great battle of ShemberaKure the first decisive clash of arms in Shoa, Arab-Faqih estimated the Muslim army at 560 horse and 12,000 foot-soldiers and that of the Emperor at 16,000 cavalry and more than 200,000 infantry; Ethiopian accounts, on the other hand, put the invading forces at 300 horse and very few foot and their own at over 3,000 horse and 'innumerable' foot-men. Whatever the exact numbers may have been Gran was completely victorious, his chronicler putting the casualties at 5,000 Muslims and 10,000 Christians. An interesting feature of this and subsequent battles was the use of archers on both sides: Gran was supported by Somali archers of the Marehan, Yiberri and Gerri tribes, as well as by a number of Arabs, while the Emperor's army included in its ranks archers from Tigre and Agame, as well as about 3,000 men of the Maya or El Maya tribe who used poisoned arrows.

[Somaliman50]

What could have been a good discussion on the history of the Adal sultanate and Ahmad Gragn's campaign was completely destroyed by these sade propagandist kids who continuously try to equate those accomplishments with their own Boon tribe