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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Babygirl- » Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:34 am

Ahmed-Gurey wrote:Ahmed Gurey was definately a Somali. He was born near Zeila and began his war at the age of 19 years. His sister Farduusa was married to Garaad Matan, the Garad of Gerri(Darood) while his paternal aunt's son was the Garaad of another Somali tribe.

The contribution of the Ottoman and Portugese to the war was minimal relative to what the locals had accomplished. You will find all these facts by reading this book, credited with mostly objective content by most historians because the author was an eye witness. The author does not conceal the casualties inflicted on the Muslims either, especially the BATTLE of BADEQA--a village with ancient churches near the modern day Addis Ababa.

Two of the three divisions of the Imam were made up of Somalis and each division has its knights, cavalry and infantry.

The two most feared tribes were of Gerri and Harti. According to the book the Gerri are all horsemen knights whereas the Harti are popular infantry men who are ferocious fighters. The author compares the Harti to a famous Arab knight whose name was Hamzah al-Jufi.

On the left was the Somali tribe of Harti, from the people of Mait; a people not given to yielding. There were three hundred of them, famous among the infantry as stolid as swordsmen.....One of the Arabs called Hamzah al-Jufi engaged in a battle to the death in front of the Imam of the Muslims. He was one of the footsoldiers and stood his ground and stood the test, confronting war with a full heart. He never struck one infidel whom he did not unhorse, dead. He killed so vast a number of them in the middle of the river, that the river water was turned red by the blood. The whole tribe of Harti was like him. Page 78.



In the book, from the Abyssinian side, there were over 200,000 infantry and 16000 knights led by patricians and the King Lebna Dengel.

Later on, most of the tribes bring more of their strongmen to stand the test of the raging battle.


Mashallah brave men iga dheeh.. :clap: :clap: we need more men like them.. :up:

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Ahmed-Gurey » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:05 am

Babygirl, yeah they were fearsome and heroic.

"In the history of conflict in Africa and beyond, few stories of drama and human tragedy equal Imam Ahmed's conquest of the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia(1529-1543). His short lived spectacular victories and determination to replace Christiniaty in Ethiopia is a story of epic proportions which still generate strong emotion both the Christian and the Muslim population of Ethiopia....Anyone interested in the intensity and brutality of religious war will be rewarded by reading this classic[/I]. Professor Mohamed Hassen at Georgia State.

"[The book] is particularly useful for English-speaking researchers and established scholars who cannot read either the Arabic text or the authoritative French translation prepared by Basset"

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Cumar-Labasuul » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:16 am

Ahmed-Gurey wrote:Ahmed Gurey was definately a Somali. He was born near Zeila and began his war at the age of 19 years. His sister Farduusa was married to Garaad Matan, the Garad of Gerri(Darood) while his paternal aunt's son was the Garaad of another Somali tribe.

The contribution of the Ottoman and Portugese to the war was minimal relative to what the locals had accomplished. You will find all these facts by reading this book, credited with mostly objective content by most historians because the author was an eye witness. The author does not conceal the casualties inflicted on the Muslims either, especially the BATTLE of BADEQA--a village with ancient churches near the modern day Addis Ababa.

Two of the three divisions of the Imam were made up of Somalis and each division has its knights, cavalry and infantry.

The two most feared tribes were of Gerri and Harti. According to the book the Gerri are all horsemen knights whereas the Harti are popular infantry men who are ferocious fighters. The author compares the Harti to a famous Arab knight whose name was Hamzah al-Jufi.

On the left was the Somali tribe of Harti, from the people of Mait; a people not given to yielding. There were three hundred of them, famous among the infantry as stolid as swordsmen.....One of the Arabs called Hamzah al-Jufi engaged in a battle to the death in front of the Imam of the Muslims. He was one of the footsoldiers and stood his ground and stood the test, confronting war with a full heart. He never struck one infidel whom he did not unhorse, dead. He killed so vast a number of them in the middle of the river, that the river water was turned red by the blood. The whole tribe of Harti was like him. Page 78.



In the book, from the Abyssinian side, there were over 200,000 infantry and 16000 knights led by patricians and the King Lebna Dengel.

Later on, most of the tribes bring more of their strongmen to stand the test of the raging battle.


This clearly is wrong because we all know who the people of Mait(Maydh) are and as for Axmed Gurey I might not know much about him but I know that he was born near saylac, which shows that he was somali and you can guess which clan he was from when you know who are from saylac. :P

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Somaliman50 » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:37 am

Ahmad Gurey was born exactly in Hobad, located in Balo province. His brother, Garad Abun Adadshe was the cheiftan of that town which was historically a predominant Karanle town.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Grant » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:59 am

guryasame wrote:One more thing the turkish presence in the orient trade routes was negligible, this was the domain of the cushitic peoples and also the persian shiites europeans trading in the indian ocean used to pay baaad, baad ma taqaana...until the 18th century to relatively small hashemite/cushitic/xabasha interconthinental holy warriors and statesmen't imagine if the whole cushitic nation is awaken to their old culture. The state records of the princely states and island forts belonging to cushitic peoples were mysteriously burned in fires to cover up precisely the embarrassing weak state of the brutish british and other europeans until relatively recently...something their weak ego could never handle


Here is the Ottoman/Portuguese sequence in the Mediterranean and Red Sea areas:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ftz_gt ... t&resnum=4

This is a synopsis of the Portuguese account of Wayna Daga from Wiki:

"Knowing that victory lay in the number of firearms an army had, the Imam sent to his fellow Muslims for help. According to Abbé Joachim le Grand, Imam Ahmad received 2000 musketeers from Arabia, and artillery and 900 picked men from the Ottomans to assist him. Meanwhile, due to casualties and other duties, da Gama's force was reduced to 300 musketeers. After the rains ended, Imam Ahmad attacked the Portuguese camp and through weight of numbers killed all but 140 of da Gama's troops. Da Gama himself, badly wounded, was captured with ten of his men and, after refusing an offer to spare his life if he would convert to Islam, was executed.[19]

The survivors and Emperor Gelawdewos were afterward able to join forces and, drawing on the Portuguese supplies, attacked Ahmad on February 21, 1543 in the Battle of Wayna Daga, where their 9,000 troops managed to defeat the 15,000 soldiers under Imam Ahmad. The Imam was killed by a Portuguese musketeer, who was mortally wounded in avenging da Gama's death.

His wife Bati del Wambara managed to escape the battlefield with a remnant of the Turkish soldiers, and they made their way back to Harar, where she rallied his followers. Intent on avenging her husband's death, she married his nephew Nur ibn Mujahid on condition that Nur would avenge Imam Ahmad's defeat."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrihim_al-Ghazi

You are correct about the Turks in the Indian Ocean, but wrong about the Cushites. The fight in the Indian Ocean was between the Omanis and the Portuguese. The Omanis won, seized control of the Indian and slave trades, and established the Sultanate of Zanzibar and the trading center at Pemba. The last I heard, the Omanis are Arab.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/Pla ... oryid=ad54

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Elan Morin Tedronai » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:16 am

The christians of eithopia, the eternal source of mischief and bloodshed in the horn of africa to this very day. But inshallah sooner or later their actions will catch up to them. I hope i will live long enough to see that inshallah

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby kadarre » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:30 am

[quote="abakar20"]Ahmad Gurey was born exactly in Hobad, located in Balo province. His brother, Garad Abun Adadshe was the cheiftan of that town which was historically a predominant Karanle town.[/quote]

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby surrender » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:11 pm

abakar20 wrote:Ahmad Gurey was born exactly in Hobad, located in Balo province. His brother, Garad Abun Adadshe was the cheiftan of that town which was historically a predominant Karanle town.



are those cities located in somaliwayn?

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby guryasame » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:46 pm

grant,

Here is a simple question show me any permanent presence of ottoman in the indian ocean or in india and the orient, the ottoman navy did act in conjunction with other powers in the area but had no foothold in the indian ocean, the red sea ports of aden and jidda and offcourse egypt were the exception. Even the moghul navy admirals were hashemite/cushitic/xabasha from the somaliland coast...No power in the indian ocean existed without the patronage of these cushitic warriors.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Ahmed-Gurey » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:34 pm

Cumar Labasuul, the coastal town of Mait was a Harti settlement. As recent as 1910, Mait was under the sultanate of Warsangeli (Harti). There's even a map that appears in this book ISLAM in ETHIOPIA by Tirmingham, which shows the Harti settlement.

-People, please don't hijack this thread by posting hardly reliable sources from the internet.
I am quoting the actual book.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby zingii » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:18 am

Nur ibn Mujahid ibn ‘Ali ibn ‘Abdullah al Dhuhi Suha (Somali: Nuur ibn Muujahiid, Arabic: نور بن مجاهد‎) (literally, "the morning star"; died 1567), of the Ahl Suhawyan division of the Marehan branch of the Somali Darod clan, was Emir of Harar in the 16th century.[1] Marrying the widow of Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi (also known as Ahmed Gurey and Ahmad Gragn), he also succeeded Imam Ahmad as leader of the Muslim forces fighting Christian Ethiopia.[2]

Considered the patron saint of Harar, Mujahid was called the Sahib al-Fath at-Thani, or "Master of the Second Conquest". When Imam Ahmad, who had led the Muslim conquest of the Ethiopian highlands, was killed in 1543, the Muslim forces fell back in confusion to Harar. Nur, the dead leader’s sister’s son, married Ahmad Gragn’s firebrand widow, Bati del Wanbara, and undertook to renew the fortunes of the Muslim city, which had been sacked in 1550. Promoted to Emir around 1550-51, he spent the next two years reorganizing his forces, and construction the wall which still surrounds the city.[3]


Qoraalka kore wuxuu caddenayaa in Amiir Nuur(AUN) ahaa Marexaan oo uu dumaalay xaaskii Imaan Gurey(AUN), laakiinse waxa kale uu qorayo waxaa ka mid ah in Amiir Nuur ay dhashay Imaan Gurey walaashiis. Marka suasha aan qaba ayaa ah: Abtigaa xaaskiis ma guursan kartaa ama soomaalidu dhaqan ahaan miyay guursadaan xaaska abtigood? jawaabta waa NO. Dumaalku wuxuu qabtaa oo dumaali kara kan qofka dhinta wax isku yihiin sida( walaalka xaaskis, Aderkaa xaskisa, father side etc) but not abtigaa xaaskiis. Marka maadaama Amiir Nuur uu xaaska dumaalay waxay cadayneysaa in uu Imaanka wax isku yihiin xaga qabiil, xaga abtiris, xigto etc. And since Amiir Nuur is mareexaan Then Imaan Gurey would be Mareexaan.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby guryasame » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:18 pm

the little faqash marexaan illegitimate kacaan children are simply interested in the propraganda that Imam was from their savage naked tribe, wtf was perhaps one of the savage tribes united by the imam to defend themselves from sure extinction simple, The Adal ifaat state was composed of several ethnicities the noble dir somalis, axumites, and arabs immigrant of which the ahlul bayt needs a mention since they were transforming force of what we call Somali nation today

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby SomaliAmir » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:54 am

Ahmed-Gurey wrote:Somaliemir. By reading this great book, I realized how devastating religious wars can be.

Now I know why the Christian Ethiopians hate us so much. Somalis were not only the nation in this Jihadic campaign led by Axmed Gurey but they were the main Group.

At one time, Somalis were slaughtered like flies. Over 3000 of them die in one battle.

Back then, no such moral appeals and universal rules existed. They were all like beasts devouring the hell out of each other.



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Walaal, I understand where you coming from, religious wars are destructive; however such conflicts were raging long before the Somalis got involved. The religious wars in the horn began in the 13th century 2 hundred years before Ahmed Gurays launched his famous/infamous campaigns against Abyssinia. I don’t have access to Abyssinia court chronicles but Amda Seyons conquest of the Muslim sultanates in the horn must have been just as destructive. Forgive me for using Wiki as a source.
Amda Seyon began forging his empire by conquering the Muslim kingdom of Damot and Hadiya. Abyssinia chronicles state that he exiles many people from these regions, sounds kind of biblical if you ask. Southwest Ethiopia provide the gold and slaves form which Muslim sultanates grow prosperous from by conquering this region Amda Seyon threaten trade routes controlled by Muslims for centuries. This happened from 1316-1317.
In 1320, Haqq ad-Din ibn Muhammad ibn 'Ali Governor of Ifat killed the emperor’s envoy to Egypt by which the emperor responded by destroying the province's capital, Ifat, and plundering it resource. Amda Seyon took much of its wealth in the form of gold, silver, bronze, lead, and clothing. Amda Seyon continued his reprisal throughout all of his Muslim provinces, pillaging Kuelgore, Bequlzar, Gidaye, Kubet, Fedsé Qedsé, Hargaye (the latter five yet unidentified), and Shewa, then populated mainly by Muslims, taking livestock, killing many inhabitants, destroying towns, and taking prisoners, who were later assimilated. By assimilated he means that they were converted from Islam to Christianity or that they become Dhimmi. Protect by the state in exchange for yearly taxes.

Between 1329-1332 there were endless Religous wars on both sides. Sabr ad-Din's a leader of Ifat rose against the Abyssinia emperor and gained support from Muslim state and province like Dawaro and Hadiya. Sabr ad-Dins sent this force to Attack Amhara, Angot and Shawa. Amda Seyon defeat Sabr ad-Din and put him to flight, the capital of Ifat was razed to the ground for the second time. Amde Seyon than went on to conquer Adal and the provinces along the Awash. He also lead forays and raids into Wagoyi Galbeed than his army when on to ravage the land of Sharkha and imprisoned its governor Yosef.[35] These efforts extended Ethiopian rule for the first time across the Awash River, gaining control of Dawaro, Bale, and other Muslim states.

By the 15th century all these territories that had once been Muslim or ruled by Muslim dynasties were strongly Christian having lost their Islamic past to campaigns lead by Amda Seyon and his descendants.
Lost Muslim province include Dewaro, Ifat, Fetagar, Shawa, Damot , Sarkha, Bale and Hadiya.

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby Grant » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:21 am

guryasame wrote:grant,

Here is a simple question show me any permanent presence of ottoman in the indian ocean or in india and the orient, the ottoman navy did act in conjunction with other powers in the area but had no foothold in the indian ocean, the red sea ports of aden and jidda and offcourse egypt were the exception. Even the moghul navy admirals were hashemite/cushitic/xabasha from the somaliland coast...No power in the indian ocean existed without the patronage of these cushitic warriors.


Get a grip, GA.

The coastal cities were racially mixed, with lamagodley Somalis being on the short end. There were early sailors from Persia, Iraq, etc., but the majority of the Indian Ocean trade following the period of Portuguese domination, was firmly in Omani/Zanzibari (Arab) hands. When Omani ships were in port, it was said they even exercised control over the Banadir ports.

This trade was associated with the Swahili culture (the three white clans and the five black tribes) and had very little to do with the Cushitic lamogodley Somalis. This continued up until the british arrived and began ending the slave trade after about 1873. The slave trade began moving overland about this time to avoid the British and other European ships, which were in firm control of the Indian Ocean after about 1880.

http://books.google.com/books?id=JtHdYS ... t&resnum=8

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Re: The Conquest of Abyssinia

Postby SomaliAmir » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:32 am

Ahmed-Gurey wrote:Somaliemir. By reading this great book, I realized how devastating religious wars can be.

Now I know why the Christian Ethiopians hate us so much. Somalis were not only the nation in this Jihadic campaign led by Axmed Gurey but they were the main Group.

At one time, Somalis were slaughtered like flies. Over 3000 of them die in one battle.

Back then, no such moral appeals and universal rules existed. They were all like beasts devouring the hell out of each other.


13-16 centuries were a long night in history of the Horn but the question we should ask is have we learn anything from these destructive wars. Abyssinia and it church has always seen islam as a threat, a point of view they will never lot go of. let me give you an example, in the 18th century the new emperor of ethiopia Yohannes (1872-1889) ordered 50 thousand muslim from Abyssinia and eriteria to convert to christainity along with their families at the point of a spear. if the Mahist force from Sudan had not invaded Gondar from the west hardly any muslim would have remained in eriteria and northern Ethiopia.
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