The Conquest of Abyssinia

[Alexxx]

After this, the Imaam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu.[/i]

Finally, the 2003 abridged source that you are quoting says:

After this, the Imam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu

In summary, Somalis had 2 main leaders, Imaam Axmed Gurey and Imaam Nuur ibn Mujaahid and one main chieftain Hiraabu. Following them were several mini chieftains such as Garaad Daawuud of the Habar Magaadle and Garaad Mataan of the Gerri Koombe.

I don't know how you can conclude from the highlighted comment above that the imaam Ahmed Gurey is a Somali, when infact the statement clearly states he( Imaam Ahmed Gurey) assembled HIS troops and the SOMALIS with their leader Hirrabu. Qualifying words (his troops) are used to differntiate his groups(nationals) from the Somalis.

[Voltage]

listen idiot:

What have marexaan naked savages got to do with adal/ ifat, harar, zeila and berbera? start their or fock off... The 21 yrs of abberant rule and hijacking of the somali state by a marexaan president and a midgaan vp which we have sent to the dustpin of history by the sheer testicular fortitude and an ak-47is not something i loose sleep over, its you who will reap its disgrace in this world and the hereafter.

This is not a political discussion. If you have lingering nightmares over the Siad Barre government, I am not your therapist nor have I offered to be. Save your calaacal please.

The fact of the matter is the discussion is revolving around one clan and that is the clan that I hail from, which is the same clan you started attacking in the first page as if you had a chip on your shoulder and you were expecting the connection and the importance of this clan with respect to this topic to creep up. What are you? You are Isaaq, Habar Jeclo. Have I talked about your clan once? Have I recognized any significance you and your background have with respect to this topic? What does that tell you? You can yap all day, you can illuminate all the nightmares and psychological baggage you are carrying around but I will say this to you, you are no longer in one of your tribal villages, scratching your ass like a baboon and fighting over a bag qamadi or a qurac tree to rest under, you are attempting to partake in a historical discussion in a forum where many people come. There needs to be separation between the tribal folktale reciters like yourself and the established historical fact and such separation is achieved through a level of credibility signifying where you learned and picked up your argument. It is called sourcing, after all no one is born knowing the truth, one must have learned it. And you neither fulfil this requirement nor can be expected to be taken seriously with any credibility, and might I add your almost immature temper tantrum throwing doesn't help your case at all, just shows your parents did a poor job raising you even though considering you are much older than I one cannot continue to blame your parents for your obvious shortcomings.

[Voltage]

I don't know how you can conclude from the highlighted comment above that the imaam Ahmed Gurey is a Somali, when infact the statement clearly states he( Imaam Ahmed Gurey) assembled HIS troops and the SOMALIS with their leader Hirrabu. Qualifying words (his troops) are used to differntiate his groups(nationals) from the Somalis.

Gurey was not the leader of Somalis, he was the leader of the Muslim army of which Somalis were a part of. In the true Islamic world of those times, nationalism and ethnic identity were moot.

When the Ummayads ruled from Damascus, they were not hailed as Quraish leaders but leaders of the Muslims even though the Quraish still had their own governor and leaders within the Muslims.

Think outside the box.

[Voltage]

Emir Nur the nephew of Emir Ahmed who avenged his death

[guryasame]

Alrite

The naked and savage marexaan tribe made peace and submitted to the rule of Adal/Ifaat, every thing else is a mere conjecture move on.

[Voltage]

Alrite

The naked and savage marexaan tribe made peace and submitted to the rule of Adal/Ifaat, every thing else is a mere conjecture move on.

It is a start. Perhaps you are not so bad after all.

[Voltage]

Too bad you are going to start biting your words, because the father of Emir Nuur (who was the nephew of Emir Ahmed Gurey, married his widow, and avanged his death by killing Geladowdos) was ruling Harrar before his son.

This shows hereditary leadership of Harrar ruled by a single clan monarchy. Imam Ahmed was the leader of the Muslims with his once cousin Hirabu being the cheiftain of the Eastern Somalis and is cousins the Nuur's being the successive leadership Harrar city.



This history though ignored is as great as Imam Ahmed Gurey's. It definitely needs to enter mainstream Somali historical knowledge.

[Voltage]

Source: Warsame101

[guryasame]

So u want us to disregard everything known about Adal Ifat and harar because some white guy wrote few statements and magically transformed one the imams into marexaan who then apparently married his uncles wife after his death? its very superficial and incomplete story, that has no logical congruency with the history of the region and any of its remaining vestiges...i will give you another chance to come up with something concrete and dont test my patients with bullshit.

[Voltage]

So u want us to disregard everything known about Adal Ifat and harar because some white guy wrote few statements and magically transformed one the imams into marexaan who then apparently married his uncles wife after his death? its very superficial and incomplete story, that has no logical congruency with the history of the region and any of its remaining vestiges...i will give you another chance to come up with something concrete and dont test my patients with bullshit.

Irony is an understatement.

And speak for yourself, you are the odd man out here.

The opening of Emir Nuur Secondary School in Garbahareey early this year.

Dugsi Sare oo loogu magacdaray Amiir-Nuur oo laga furay Caasimada G/Gedo ee G/haarey iyo Xaflad Ballaaran oo galabta Xariga looga Gooyay

Xaflad si weyn loo soo agaasimay oo xariga looga goynanay Furitaanka Dugsiga Sare ee Amiir-Nuur ee Caasimada G/Gedo ee G/haarey ayaa galabta ka dhacday Caasimada G/Gedo ee G/haarey.
http://www.allgedo.com/Galged/xds%20ami ... 20news.htm

[guryasame]

self congratulations at its best

One of the imam of harar was marexaan and the white guy said so, but what was is his source? Who cares, probably one of those famous european magic potions, lets dedicate a school to him

the history of the region is more important then the ego of one savage and naked tribe I will post the something on the glorious history of the region as the main hub of maritime trade, perhaps u will wake up to something besides kacaan kool-aid

[Voltage]

self congratulations at its best

One of the imam of harar was marexaan and the white guy said so, but what was is his source? Who cares, probably one of those famous european magic potions, lets dedicate a school to him

If you look at that article of Emir Nuur, there are over a dozen sources and none of them dated after 1942. They are in their essence, historical. I am laughing wallahi and not with you sxb. Way kaa talaa.

[guryasame]

a dozen sources r u serious! ok find his original source, I dare u to find me an original source with that exact statement. In fact it makes no sense from futux stand point let alone a comprehensive survey of the sources both oral and written let alone with current constitution of the population currently in the area and their history.

[Voltage]

a dozen sources r u serious! ok find his original source, I dare u to find me an original source with that exact statement.

This is not kindergarten sxb and reverse psychology does not work with people like me. There are close to dozen sources used and if you want to pursue you are more than welcome to.

The bibliography:

1. R.Basset (editor, Histoire de la conquete de l’Abyssinie (“History of the Conquest of Abyssinia”), Paris, 1897-1901;

2. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Documenti arabi per la storia dell’Ethiopia,” Memoria della Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Vol. 4, No. 2, Rome, 1931

3. Dr. E. Cerulli, La lingua e la storia di Harar (“The Language and History of Harar”), Rome, 1936

4. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Gli Emiri di Harar dal secolo XVI alla conquista agiziana” (“The Mirs of Harar From the 16th Century to the Egyptian Conquest”),

5. Dr. E. Cerulli, Rassegna di Studi Ethiopici, Vol. 2, Rome, 1942

6. Hadj Yusuf AbdulRahman (editor), Kitab Rabi’a al-Qulub fi Dhikr Manaqib wa Fada’il Sayyidina as Sheikh Nur Hussein (“The Springtime of Hearts in Memory of the Virtues and Merits of Our Lord the Sheikh Nur Hussein”), Cairo, 1927

7. J. Spencer Trimingham, Islam in Ethiopia, London, 1952

8. K. Wndt, “Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar in XVI Jahrhundert,” (“An Ahmhari History of One of the Emirs of 16th Century of Harar”), Orientalia, Vol. 6, No. ¾, Rome, 1937

[Muhammad bin Harti]

Ahmed Gurey was not Marehan. He was either Harti, Habar Magaadle Magadle or Gadabursi.