The Peace Process is sham, Djibouti process failure.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted, one man is nothing when there is no system. There is a fundamental problem with the system. In an established country with government and a system, one can blame the president and how he uses and manages the system to do what he wants. When you come with no army, no government, in a lawless society of extreme anarchy for 20 years, the problem is the system not the individual man. Even with the title of president, what more powers does Yusuf, Qaasim, Sharif have? For goodnessake, Ugandan soldiers guard his room at night..

The Djibouti process is a failure because they did not realize the problem is the system.

The problem in Somalia is Mogadishu. You need who knows the ground, has local support, and uses the appropriate tools to weaken the opposition. Sharif started in the wrong foot trying to appease the anarchists. In doing so, he made some mistakes that are haunting us now and would probably haunt us for a very long time to come.

[Twisted_Logic]

Somalian-Boqor,

I don't think anyone will argue against that. Give me Nur Ade any day over Sharif

[Somalian_Boqor]

Twisted, one man is nothing when there is no system. There is a fundamental problem with the system. In an established country with government and a system, one can blame the president and how he uses and manages the system to do what he wants. When you come with no army, no government, in a lawless society of extreme anarchy for 20 years, the problem is the system not the individual man. Even with the title of president, what more powers does Yusuf, Qaasim, Sharif have? For goodnessake, Ugandan soldiers guard his room at night..

The Djibouti process is a failure because they did not realize the problem is the system.

Well a country that is at peace with itself can re-creat the so called "system" and put in Place the foundation of Govermance by puting together it's security forces. Lakiin this guy wasn't put into Power to work out a system, he was supposed to bring about peace to creat the enviroment for such a system to be put in to place.

[Voltage]

The problem in Somalia is Mogadishu.

Probably the biggest myth and part of the reason the Djibouti process failed (note the Hawiye in "Hawiye" Islamist).

Overall Civil War history:

-Civil War stalemate. Hawiye clan chased everyone out of Mogadishu but could not secure control over non-Hawiye land. The war ended with Hawiye in Mogadishu, Rahanweyn in Bay Bakool, southern Darood in Juballand, northern Darood in their northeast. The capital does not determine the fate of the south let alone the rest of the Somalia.

Recent TFG History:

-Warlords control Mogadishu and announce "Golaha Samatabixinta" while Yusuf made camp in Jowhar and later in Baydhabo. A stalemate.
-ICU brings Mogadishu under total control one maamul, while the TFG and allies hold out in Baydhabo and all other regions free from ICU influence except for southern coast.
-The Ethiopians/TFG dominate Mogadishu while the resistance held out in the regions and captured from Kismaayo to Hiiraan.
-Djibouti group base in Mogadishu with some nominal clan support in the beginning, while Al Shabaab and its regional resources bring the battle to Mogadishu (Ahmed Diiriye's "we are being invaded").

The failure of the Djibouti is based primarily on this assumption that Mogadishu is the deciding factor, and thereofre a Hawiye Islamist would work well.

No, the failure of the Djibouti process is proof why the myths have to be discarded and true holistic approach and problem solving has to be applied to fix the real problem in the system.

[Twisted_Logic]

The problem in Somalia is Mogadishu.

Probably the biggest myth and part of the reason the Djibouti process failed (note the Hawiye in "Hawiye" Islamist).

Overall Civil War history:

-Civil War stalemate. Hawiye clan chased everyone out of Mogadishu but could not secure control over non-Hawiye land. The war ended with Hawiye in Mogadishu, Rahanweyn in Bay Bakool, southern Darood in Juballand, northern Darood in their northeast. The capital does not determine the fate of the south let alone the rest of the Somalia.

Recent TFG History:

-Warlords control Mogadishu and announce "Golaha Samatabixinta" while Yusuf made camp in Jowhar and later in Baydhabo. A stalemate.
-ICU brings Mogadishu under total control one maamul, while the TFG and allies hold out in Baydhabo and all other regions free from ICU influence except for southern coast.
-The Ethiopians/TFG dominate Mogadishu while the resistance held out in the regions and captured from Kismaayo to Hiiraan.
-Djibouti group base in Mogadishu with some nominal clan support in the beginning, while Al Shabaab and its regional resources bring the battle to Mogadishu (Ahmed Diiriye's "we are being invaded").

The failure of the Djibouti is based primarily on this assumption that Mogadishu is the deciding factor, and thereofre a Hawiye Islamist would work well.

No, the failure of the Djibouti proof is proof why the myths have to be discarded and true holistic approach and problem solving has to be applied.

And what is that "holistic approach" sir?

[Voltage]

The holistic approach is looking at just why this country is truly in anarchy, why clans fracture to mini-mini sub-clans, and how to bring true reconciliation and unity to the Somali people without being simple and surface.

[Twisted_Logic]

The holistic approach is looking at just why this country is truly in anarchy, why clans fracture to mini-mini sub-clans, and how to bring true reconciliation and unity to the Somali people without being simple and surface.

Well that is given. Even in South Somalia, the only area of problem is Xamar. Other areas are relatively safe and peaceful. So, any solution will have to center around Mogadishu.

[Voltage]

The holistic approach is looking at just why this country is truly in anarchy, why clans fracture to mini-mini sub-clans, and how to bring true reconciliation and unity to the Somali people without being simple and surface.

Well that is given. Even in South Somalia, the only area of problem is Xamar. Other areas are relatively safe and peaceful. So, any solution will have to center around Mogadishu.

True, Xamar is the capital and it is important in that regard. It is also the largest urban center in Somalia so it is harder to pacify it then most of Somalia but the history of the civil war is even if Xamar receives one maamul, it can easily be repulsed and a stalemate created that sees the continuation of the civil war as happened in the 90's.

[ModerateMuslim]

Well that is given. Even in South Somalia, the only area of problem is Xamar. Other areas are relatively safe and peaceful. So, any solution will have to center around Mogadishu.

from the mouth of the donkey.

where shabab al- mujahideen and their allies are in control there peace. thanks for speaking the truth, for once, you donkey (the islamic term of donkey).

[Twisted_Logic]

Well that is given. Even in South Somalia, the only area of problem is Xamar. Other areas are relatively safe and peaceful. So, any solution will have to center around Mogadishu.

from the mouth of the donkey.

where shabab al- mujahideen and their allies are in control there peace. thanks for speaking the truth, for once, you donkey (the islamic term of donkey).

Bro, go as I told you before, go find your-self a nice porno tape to watch.

You are getting loose.

[Twisted_Logic]

The holistic approach is looking at just why this country is truly in anarchy, why clans fracture to mini-mini sub-clans, and how to bring true reconciliation and unity to the Somali people without being simple and surface.

Well that is given. Even in South Somalia, the only area of problem is Xamar. Other areas are relatively safe and peaceful. So, any solution will have to center around Mogadishu.

True, Xamar is the capital and it is important in that regard. It is also the largest urban center in Somalia so it is harder to pacify it then most of Somalia but the history of the civil war is even if Xamar receives one maamul, it can easily be repulsed and a stalemate created that sees the continuation of the civil war as happened in the 90's.

True say.

That's why you need a force that is able to cash in the public's fury at Al Shabab and deal them a decisive blow.

You can't reason with anarchists like Al Shabab. The only language they understand is force. Look at Iraq.

[ModerateMuslim]

don't take advice from those who left islam.

[Twisted_Logic]

don't take advice from those who left islam.

It is from your own benefit.

You know, you should go back to Somalia and join your Al Shabab brothers

[GENERAL_SNM]

Voltage that traitor on your avatar cant go home, you going to make him leader of Gedo?

You'll should just give up on somalia and join

[snoop12]

from the beginning Sharif was a loser, he would have lost a fair election without the 200 extra ARS parliamentarians.

and now this loser who knows little of politics is running this country into a never ending war he cant even negotiate with his former colleagues, what a shame

the only good thing he can do for Somalia now is step down and end TFG as it is