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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby AhlulbaytSoldier » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:29 pm

Hoowle wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:Bullshit, only few of egyptians trace their ancestry to arabs from saudiarabia. The others are considered converts,ex-copts.
The same case with syrians,lebanese and palestinian muslims. All were christians before islam.


Don't change the subject man. The main subject we're discussing and my post addressed was the discrimination of non-muslims in Muslims lands. Do you support Christians to open Churches and openly practice their faith in Somalia?



Ofcourse iam in support of that. The destroyed church of mogadishu must be rebuilt so the worshippers can go there in peace. Also apostate muslims who do not become enemy to the islamic government must be left alone,their kufr is something between them and Allah swt.Only Allah swt will judge them.
I only dont support two religions to exist in saudi arabia because its a holy land for us muslims,but not for you christians.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Hoowle » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:34 pm

surrender wrote:^ at least you showing your true colours. the only reason you contantly go against islam/muslims, is something you have against the religion. remember your the one with the problem-not us!

FYI i only reported what the article says. nothing more nothing less. :up:

France want to bann head to toe muslim dressing-interpreter how you like!

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yaa ukhti, my job as agent provocateur, is to show your (and muslims at large) glaring internal contradictions that you're blind to. Personally I don't support a ban on any dress code but I want to provoke you and others to see your duplicity. On one hand you're advocating for the right of European muslims to practice their religion as they wish but on the other hand you're not willing to extend the same right to non-muslims in Muslim dominant land. Let me ask you: do you support churches, synagogues and temples in Puntland?

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Hoowle » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:39 pm

HutuKing01 wrote:
Hoowle wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:Bullshit, only few of egyptians trace their ancestry to arabs from saudiarabia. The others are considered converts,ex-copts.
The same case with syrians,lebanese and palestinian muslims. All were christians before islam.


Don't change the subject man. The main subject we're discussing and my post addressed was the discrimination of non-muslims in Muslims lands. Do you support Christians to open Churches and openly practice their faith in Somalia?



Ofcourse iam in support of that. The destroyed church of mogadishu must be rebuilt so the worshippers can go there in peace. Also apostate muslims who do not become enemy to the islamic government must be left alone,their kufr is something between them and Allah swt.Only Allah swt will judge them.
I only dont support two religions to exist in saudi arabia because its a holy land for us muslims,but not for you christians.


masha'allah, you're a good Muslim. Now, you need to convince your fellow Muslims to adopt the same views.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Ka darag » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:42 pm

1_londoner wrote:
Enlightened~Sista wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195052/Why-I-British-Muslim-woman-want-burkha-banned-streets.html


I don't support a ban but if they do go ahead with it...im not going to lose sleep over it. :P


loool@DailMail...That has to be one of the most racist newspapers in UK, that and the Express...

But these responses put a smile on my face.... :up: :up: :up:

What a joke of an article. Reading all the comments it seems that muslims are being taught their religion by non-muslims.

After reading this article I am even more greatful that my Lord (and yours too for that matter) has ordered me to cover myself fully. So what if I dont want to display my beauty and adornment to the world, I can still integrate..I can still converese and go about my daily activities. What on earth difference does it make to ANYONE? Yeah I don't like seeing flesh hanging out all over the place on a hot summers day, but I still mind my own business. Is that what your women call freedom? Freedom for their bits and bobs maybe but nothing more than oppression.

You people need to realise that it is not the menfolk telling us to do this, it is our faith, our belief and submission in God. It is a beautiful feeling that I will not change for ANYONE of ANYTHING.

Thank you to those non-muslims talking sense below who realise the stupidity of this article.


I was born in England to white british christian parents. I converted to islam in my 40's and now cover myself completely when I go out. I am not married and therefore the oppression theory is lost. The burqa is not mentioned in qur'an but we are told to cover, be modest and not display our bodies. The wives of the prophet muhammad (saws) were told to cover themselves completely in mixed company. As a practicing muslim I would follow the qur'an and also sunnah (way of life) of the prophet muhammad and as a woman ~ his wives. In the privacy of our own homes and under our outer clothes we can wear the latest fashions, if we choose ~ contrary to Ms Khan's views.
We are not oppressed or repressed, rather we were given rights long before the christian woman was. Oppression is a not an islamic way but cultural evil!
Our young girls are encouraged to wear the hijab ~ I don't think there's any proof that doing so damages their brains! We have muslim women doctors as proof of that



Hi Everyone - Im a muslim who wears the hijab!! so i must be oppressed? well my mum doesnt wear it and neither does my sister!!ok well that must mean im uneducated??actually i have a degree with honors!!so do i not want to "fit in" with British society??actually im a consultant and work in a male dominated industry...i dont tend to work with many women because i work with top level management and they are generally men (so where are all the non hijab wearing western women and why dont they hold these positions)!! Anyway what does being british mean exactly?i have a british sense of humour, know blackadder quotes and love Primani bargains like everyone else an I pay my taxes (by the way i think its daylight robbery) but i dont go out and get drunk and shack up with a guy with a pulse, i dont disrespect my parents and i dont dress like im working on a street corner,oh and i moan about the weather. basically i love the uk BECOZ i have the freedom to choose, so Why does me wearing a cloth scare you?

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby LaQaNyO » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:51 pm

France is one of the biggest ally of the 'Elite' so, don't be shocked chick.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Hyperactive » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:02 pm

burka is an arabic word and different than hijab.

purka means the little peace the covers the face.
it`s same as niqaab. hijab is what covers from head down to shoulders except the face. in other word burka is face cover part.
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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby 1_londoner » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:07 pm

^^
Well, over here..timo jilecda oo dhan call the cabaaya, burka.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Hyperactive » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:12 pm

1_londoner wrote:^^
Well, over here..timo jilecda oo dhan call the cabaaya, burka.


lol then they misuse the word.

and by the way only Bedouin women wear it.
noqab is new version of it that younger generation wear it.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:25 pm

pathetic to see "muslims" have no problem with what the french pigs are doing and some even agree with it. not surprised, though.

fear allah swt and know that there's strong daleel for the niqaab....

Evidence from the Sunnah that it is obligatory to cover the face

(i) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you proposes marriage to a woman, there is no sin on him if he looks at her, rather he should look at her for the purpose of proposing marriage even if she is unaware.” Narrated by Ahmad. The author of Majma’ al-Zawaa’id said: its men are the men of saheeh.

The evidence here is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said there is no sin on the man who is proposing marriage, subject to the condition that his looking be for the purpose of proposing marriage. This indicates that the one who is not proposing marriage is sinning if he looks at a non-mahram woman in ordinary circumstances, as is the one who is proposing marriage if he looks for any purpose other than proposing marriage, such as for the purpose of enjoyment etc.

If it is said that the hadeeth does not clearly state what is being looked at, and it may mean looking at the chest etc, the response is that the man who is proposing marriage looks at the face because it is the focus for the one who is seeking beauty, without a doubt.

(ii) When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded that women should be brought out to the Eid prayer place, they said, “O Messenger of Allaah, some of us do not have jilbaabs.” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Let her sister give her one of her jilbaabs to wear.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.

This hadeeth indicates that the usual practice among the women of the Sahaabah was that a woman would not go out without a jilbaab, and that if she did not have a jilbaab she would not go out. The command to wear a jilbaab indicates that it is essential to cover. And Allaah knows best.

(iii) It was narrated in al-Saheehayn that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray Fajr and the believing women would attend the prayer with him, wrapped in their veils, then they would go back to their homes and no one would recognize them because of the darkness. She said: If the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw from the women what we have seen, he would have prevented them from coming to the mosques as the Children of Israel prevented their women.

A similar report was also narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The evidence from this hadeeth covers two issues:

1 – Hijaab and covering were the practice of the women of the Sahaabah who were the best of generations and the most honourable before Allaah.

2 – ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with them both), who were both known as scholars with deep insight, said that if the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had seen from women what they had seen, he would have prevented them from coming to the mosques. This was during the best generations, so what about nowadays?!

(iv) It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever lets his garment drag out of pride, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Resurrection.” Umm Salamah said, “What should women do with their hems?” He said, “Let it hang down a handspan.” She said, “What if that shows her feet?” He said, “Let it hang down a cubit, but no more than that.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

This hadeeth indicates that it is obligatory for women to cover their feet, and that this was something that was well known among the women of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). The feet are undoubtedly a lesser source of temptation than the face and hands, so a warning concerning something that is less serious is a warning about something that is more serious and to which the ruling applies more. The wisdom of sharee’ah means that it would not enjoin covering something that is a lesser source of temptation and allow uncovering something that is a greater source of temptation. This is an impossible contradiction that cannot be attributed to the wisdom and laws of Allaah.

(v) It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came near us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces, and when they had passed by we would uncover our faces. Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1562.

The words “When they came near us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces” indicate that it is obligatory to cover the face, because what is prescribed in ihraam is to uncover it. If there was no strong reason to prevent uncovering it, it would be obligatory to leave it uncovered even when the riders were passing by. In other words, women are obliged to uncover their faces during ihraam according to the majority of scholars, and nothing can override something that is obligatory except something else that is also obligatory. If it were not obligatory to observe hijab and cover the face in the presence of non-mahram men, there would be no reason not to uncover it in ihraam. It was proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere that a woman in ihraam is forbidden to wear the niqaab (face veil) and gloves.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: This is one of the things which indicate that the niqaab and gloves were known among women who were not in ihraam, which implies that they covered their faces and hands.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:28 pm

and now it's clear for all to see that hypocrite kuffar don't practice what they preach, e.g. free speech or freedom of worship.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Ka darag » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:29 pm

Somali-Star wrote:pathetic to see "muslims" have no problem with what the french pigs are doing and some even agree with it. not surprised, though.

fear allah swt and know that there's strong daleel for the niqaab....

Evidence from the Sunnah that it is obligatory to cover the face

(i) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you proposes marriage to a woman, there is no sin on him if he looks at her, rather he should look at her for the purpose of proposing marriage even if she is unaware.” Narrated by Ahmad. The author of Majma’ al-Zawaa’id said: its men are the men of saheeh.

The evidence here is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said there is no sin on the man who is proposing marriage, subject to the condition that his looking be for the purpose of proposing marriage. This indicates that the one who is not proposing marriage is sinning if he looks at a non-mahram woman in ordinary circumstances, as is the one who is proposing marriage if he looks for any purpose other than proposing marriage, such as for the purpose of enjoyment etc.

If it is said that the hadeeth does not clearly state what is being looked at, and it may mean looking at the chest etc, the response is that the man who is proposing marriage looks at the face because it is the focus for the one who is seeking beauty, without a doubt.

(ii) When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded that women should be brought out to the Eid prayer place, they said, “O Messenger of Allaah, some of us do not have jilbaabs.” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Let her sister give her one of her jilbaabs to wear.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.

This hadeeth indicates that the usual practice among the women of the Sahaabah was that a woman would not go out without a jilbaab, and that if she did not have a jilbaab she would not go out. The command to wear a jilbaab indicates that it is essential to cover. And Allaah knows best.

(iii) It was narrated in al-Saheehayn that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray Fajr and the believing women would attend the prayer with him, wrapped in their veils, then they would go back to their homes and no one would recognize them because of the darkness. She said: If the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw from the women what we have seen, he would have prevented them from coming to the mosques as the Children of Israel prevented their women.

A similar report was also narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The evidence from this hadeeth covers two issues:

1 – Hijaab and covering were the practice of the women of the Sahaabah who were the best of generations and the most honourable before Allaah.

2 – ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with them both), who were both known as scholars with deep insight, said that if the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had seen from women what they had seen, he would have prevented them from coming to the mosques. This was during the best generations, so what about nowadays?!

(iv) It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever lets his garment drag out of pride, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Resurrection.” Umm Salamah said, “What should women do with their hems?” He said, “Let it hang down a handspan.” She said, “What if that shows her feet?” He said, “Let it hang down a cubit, but no more than that.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

This hadeeth indicates that it is obligatory for women to cover their feet, and that this was something that was well known among the women of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). The feet are undoubtedly a lesser source of temptation than the face and hands, so a warning concerning something that is less serious is a warning about something that is more serious and to which the ruling applies more. The wisdom of sharee’ah means that it would not enjoin covering something that is a lesser source of temptation and allow uncovering something that is a greater source of temptation. This is an impossible contradiction that cannot be attributed to the wisdom and laws of Allaah.

(v) It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came near us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces, and when they had passed by we would uncover our faces. Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1562.

The words “When they came near us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces” indicate that it is obligatory to cover the face, because what is prescribed in ihraam is to uncover it. If there was no strong reason to prevent uncovering it, it would be obligatory to leave it uncovered even when the riders were passing by. In other words, women are obliged to uncover their faces during ihraam according to the majority of scholars, and nothing can override something that is obligatory except something else that is also obligatory. If it were not obligatory to observe hijab and cover the face in the presence of non-mahram men, there would be no reason not to uncover it in ihraam. It was proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere that a woman in ihraam is forbidden to wear the niqaab (face veil) and gloves.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: This is one of the things which indicate that the niqaab and gloves were known among women who were not in ihraam, which implies that they covered their faces and hands.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:30 pm

Ismahan123 wrote:Why are you ppl shocked at what E-S wrote regarding this subject? She is the same individual who believes where is no such thing as a Bastard child/illegitimate child. :arrow:



worse yet, she practices shirk, i.e. worships dead saints/others besides allah swt.

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:31 pm

ka darag, why the shock? :mrgreen:

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Ka darag » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:32 pm

WHAT DID SHE WRITE NOW? :shock: :shock:

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Re: The French are at it again!!

Postby Ka darag » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:36 pm

Somali-Star wrote:ka darag, why the shock? :mrgreen:

ITS OBLIGATORY?????/ I SWEAR THAT MEANS IT IS A REQUIREMENT.... :|


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