Emir Abadir Musa Warwa'jle

[Rightwing]

Abadir Musa probably lived around 1425, which is too late I think for Abadir.

According to the Adari, Abadir lived around the year 1000, and succeeded Amir Hoboba.

Mind you the list of Amirs for Harar I have seen is a bit messed up, I will point out the issues from Haboba to Umar Walashma, then I'll take this list all the way to Sabr ad-Din II.
The person who compiled this list uses the Ethiopian year 1 (in Ethiopia it is 2002 right now), so dates are all short by 7 years, I'll put the corrected dates in parentheses. Some dates don't agree with the Adal Chronicle and I put those in bold instead of the parentheses.

Haboba 969-999 (976-1006) JD's Note: I have seen Haboba written as "Haboba ibn Harar"
Abadir I 999-1013 (1006-1019)
Omerdin 1013-1025 (1020-1032)
Nasir 1025-1027 (1032-1034)
Nesroy 1027-1029 (1034-1036)
Nasir Bin Jamaludin 1029-1030 (1036-1037)
Muhuyadin 1030-1057 (1037-1064) JD's Note: Queen Badit daughter of Maya died in 1063, noted in the Chronicle of Shoa. Who is she? Who know!
Abadir II 1057-1058 (1064-1065)
Abdal (Adal) 1058-1077 (1065-1084) JD's Note: Adaacal or Adal is traditionally considered to be a son of Xadhal-Maaxe (often written as Haral Mahis) the patriarch of the southern Afars or Adel Qaafars.
Maya Lamar 1077-1096 (1084-1103)
Tadina 1096-1100 (1103-1107)
Omer Bin Dinyah Hurr 1100-1170 (1107-1177) Umar ibn Dunyahuz IS Umar Walashma, plus a century too early, so this is wrong According to the Chronicle of Shoa this is the time of Sultan Harba'ir, and on the 16th of December 1108 the "Gbbah" people became Muslims. Some people think this says "Argobba" but I think it says "Gubba" as in the Jubba river.
Yaruwi (haruwi) 1170-1180 (1177-1187)
Haqudin Bin Omar 1180-1187 (1187-1194) Haqq ad-Din Nasrawi ibn Umar, placed 120 years too early in the chronology and duplicated so this is wrong
Hassen (Hussen) 1187-1192 (1194-1199)
Abdulahi 1192-1204 (1199-1211)
Wali-Asma 1204-1281 (1211-1288) Umar ibn Dunyahuz IS Umar Walashma, but his reign is not only absurdly long but incorrect, should be 1275-1288
Baziye 1281-1297 (1288-1304) Sultan Baziwi (or Burfawe)
Nesrudin 1297-1302 (1304-1309) Sultan Haqq ad-Din Nasrawi ibn Umar
Mensur Bin Bedewi 1302-1307 (1309-1314) Sultan Mansur I ibn Baziwi
Jemaludin 1307-1314 (1314-1321) Sultan Jamal ud-din I
Abit (Sabit) 1314-1316 (1321-1323) Sultan Abud
Zuber 1316-1318 (1323-1325) Sultan Zubair
Matatlil 1318-1321 (1325-1328) Sultan Ma'at Layla
Khayrudin 1321-1326 (1328-1333) Sultan Sabir ud-din I Muhammad Walkhui
Faza Ali 1326-1366 (1333-1374) Sultan 'Ali ibn Sabir ud-din
Harb Arad 1366-1368 (1374-1376) Sultan Ahmed Harbi Ar'ed ibn 'Ali
Haqudin Bin Harb 1368-1378 (1376 - 1386) Sultan Haq ud-din II ibn Ahmed, Sultan of Adal
Sabrudin I 1378-1383 ??? Error?
Sadudin 1383-1402 (1386 - 1415) Sultan Sa'ad ud-din Ahmed
Sabrudin Sadudin 1402-1411 (1416 - 1421) Sultan Sabir ud-din II ibn Sa'ad ud-din

Abadir sxb means Abaha Dir and Dir translates into Somali in the eponymous sense so Abadir means Abaha Soomaali.

This makes sense

[sadeboi]

Another source entailing Shaykh Abadir lived around 13th century : "Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia" Ulrich Brauckamper

Rightwing, as we have already concluded, Amir Nuur, the Marexaan leader mentioned in futah al habasha, lived in the early 16 century.

Let us look at the difference in time between Amiir Nuur who is a direct descdent of Shaykh Abadir.

His lineage goes:
Nuur
Yusef
Mataan
Ciis
Axmed
Maxamed
Daud
Abadir
Musse

Amir Nuur was born in the early 16th century, his great grandfather Ciis in the early 15th century, Ciis's great grandfather Daud in the early 14th Century, and Daud's father Shaykh Abadir in the mid 13th century (this going by the relative 3 generations per century).

[snoop12]

superp he did it again

next time post a copy of your threads in Gedosection, some of us do not have the time for General section

[Rightwing]

Another source entailing Shaykh Abadir lived around 13th century : "Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia" Ulrich Brauckamper

Rightwing, as we have already concluded, Amir Nuur, the Marexaan leader mentioned in futah al habasha, lived in the early 16 century.

Let us look at the difference in time between Amiir Nuur who is a direct descdent of Shaykh Abadir.

His lineage goes:
Nuur
Yusef
Mataan
Ciis
Axmed
Maxamed
Daud
Abadir
Musse

Amir Nuur was born in the early 16th century, his great grandfather Ciis in the early 15th century, Ciis's great grandfather Daud in the early 14th Century, and Daud's father Shaykh Abadir in the mid 13th century (this going by the relative 3 generations per century).

Thank bro. for the clarification. I have saved it in my folder

[Voltage]

Sadeboi Not the mention the Sultanate line of Harrar James posted is a false


Here is a right line


11xx - 1228 Sultan Umar Walashma, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Baziwi, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Haq ud-din I ibn Umar, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Husain, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Nasir I, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Mansur I ibn Baziwi, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Jamal ud-din I, Sultan of Adal.
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Sultan Abud, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Zubair, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Ma'at Layla, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Sabir ud-din I Muhammad Walkhui, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan 'Ali ibn Sabir ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Ahmed Harbi Ar'ed ibn 'Ali, Sultan of Adal.

1376 - 1386 Sultan Haq ud-din II ibn Ahmed, Sultan of Adal.

1386 - 1415 Sultan Sa'ad ud-din Ahmed, Sultan of Adal.

1415 - 1416 Interregnum

1416 - 1421 Sultan Sabir ud-din II, Sultan of Adal.

1421 - 1425 Sultan Mansur II ibn Sa'ad ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1425 - 1432 Sultan Jamal ud-din II ibn Sa'ad ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1432 - 14xx Sultan Shihab ud-din Ahmed Badlai ibn Sa'ad ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1472 - 1487 Sultan Shams ud-din ibn Muhammad, Sultan of Adal.

1487 - 1488 Sultan Ibrahim II ibn Nasir ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1488 - Sultan Muhammad II ibn Azhar ud-din ibn 'Ali, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan 'Ali II ibn Fakhr ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Fakhr ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

15xx - 1525 Sultan 'Abu Bakar ibn Muhammad Azhar ud-din, Sultan of Harrar. He transferred his capital to Harrar in August 1520

1525 - 1544 [Imam Muhammad Gragn] Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi, Sultan of Harrar. b. at Zeila, son of Ibrahim al-Ghazi. Served with his father against the Sultan Abu Bakar of Zeila, who killed Ibrahim al-Ghazi in the contest. Later returned and defeated the Sultan on behalf of Amir Mahfruz of Harrar, earning for himself the title of Sheikh of Zeila. Invaded and devastated the Christian kingdom of Ethiopia from Showa in the north to Hamasen in the south 1527-1543. Defeated and killed at the foot of Mount Zantara, by a combined force of Portuguese and Ethiopians, 1544 Began his reign 6th June 1525. m. Bati Del Wambara (m. second, Imam Nur ul-Mujtahid, Sultan of Harrar - see below), daughter of Amir Mahfuz, of Harar and Adal (k. in battle by Emperor Lebna Dengal, at Yifat).
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1544 - 1552 Interregnum.

1552 - 1567 Imam Nur ul-Mujtahid, Sultan of Harrar. Succeeded on the death of his uncle. m. Del Wambara, widow of his uncle and predecessor, Imam Muhammad III Ahmad Gran ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi, Sultan of Harrar. He d. on his return from an expedition into Shoa, September 1567.

1567 - 1569 Sultan Usman ul-Habashi, Sultan of Harrar.

1569 - 1571 Sultan Talha, Sultan of Harrar.

1571 - 1573 Sultan Nasir II ibn Usman, Sultan of Harrar.

1573 - 1576 Sultan Muhammad IV ibn Nasir ibn Usman, Sultan of Harrar. Defeated and killed by Emperor Malik Sagad.

- 1583 Sultan Mansur III ibn Muhammad, Sultan of Harrar.

Sultan Muhammad V ibn Ibrahim Jaisk, Sultan of Harrar.

Sultan Fasil, Sultan of Harrar.
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Amirate of Harrar
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16xx - 1647 Amir 'Ali ibn Daud, Amir of Harrar. He d. 28th June 1647.

1647 - 1662 Amir Hashim, Amir of Harrar. He d. 23rd November 1662.

1662 - 1671 Amir 'Abdullah I ibn 'Ali, Amir of Harrar. He d. 11th February 1671.

1671 - 1700 Amir Talha ibn 'Abdullah, Amir of Harrar. He d. 10th February 1700.

1700 - 1721 Amir Abu Bakar I ibn 'Abdullah, Amir of Harrar. He d. 5th November 1721.

1721 - 1732 Amir Khalaf ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 1st June 1732.

1732 - 1733 Amir Hamid ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 14th August 1733.

1733 - 1747 Amir Yusuf ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 22nd February 1747.

1747 - 1755 Amir Ahmed I ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 30th December 1755.

1755 - 1782 Amir Muhammad ibn Yusuf, Amir of Harrar. He d. 16th December 1782.

1782 - 1783 Amir 'Abdu's Shakur ibn Yusuf, Amir of Harrar. He d. 31st May 1783.

1783 - 1794 Amir Ahmad II ibn Muhammad, Amir of Harrar. He d. 18th November 1794.
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1794 - 1820 Amir 'Abdu'l Rahman ibn Muhammad, Amir of Harrar. He d. 15th January 1820.



^^The names I highlighted above are really interesting in that only Marehan have those names especially during those times.


Diini....Khalaf Hussein Yosef...Maxamaed Da'uud..etc etc

And look at Talhe, a prominent Marehan clan today (Nabeela's ayeeyo) and a name that is in no other Somali clan's geneology

[Voltage]

[Ganjaweed]

^^The names I highlighted above are really interesting in that only Marehan have those names especially during those times.


Diini....Khalaf Hussein Yosef...Maxamaed Da'uud..etc etc

And look at Talhe, a prominent Marehan clan today (Nabeela's ayeeyo) and a name that is in no other Somali clan's geneology

So you're basing your arguments on similar names?

[CoolPoisons]

Ganjaweed, cuqdad ku dhil. Just cause Ur tiny clan doesnt have history doesnt mean U have to attack others

[Ganjaweed]

Ganjaweed, cuqdad ku dhil. Just cause Ur tiny clan doesnt have history doesnt mean U have to attack others

Bastard, I dont give two shits even if he was your sugar daddy, all I'm saying is come with better proof if you want to win an argument. I have never heard about this abadir, and I dont give a shit who he was, neither do I give a fock about harar, a city populated by qotis. I made a passing statement, dont start menstrualating.

[Rightwing]

Sadeboi Not the mention the Sultanate line of Harrar James posted is a false


Here is a right line


11xx - 1228 Sultan Umar Walashma, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Baziwi, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Haq ud-din I ibn Umar, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Husain, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Nasir I, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Mansur I ibn Baziwi, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Jamal ud-din I, Sultan of Adal.
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Sultan Abud, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Zubair, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Ma'at Layla, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Sabir ud-din I Muhammad Walkhui, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan 'Ali ibn Sabir ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Ahmed Harbi Ar'ed ibn 'Ali, Sultan of Adal.

1376 - 1386 Sultan Haq ud-din II ibn Ahmed, Sultan of Adal.

1386 - 1415 Sultan Sa'ad ud-din Ahmed, Sultan of Adal.

1415 - 1416 Interregnum

1416 - 1421 Sultan Sabir ud-din II, Sultan of Adal.

1421 - 1425 Sultan Mansur II ibn Sa'ad ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1425 - 1432 Sultan Jamal ud-din II ibn Sa'ad ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1432 - 14xx Sultan Shihab ud-din Ahmed Badlai ibn Sa'ad ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1472 - 1487 Sultan Shams ud-din ibn Muhammad, Sultan of Adal.

1487 - 1488 Sultan Ibrahim II ibn Nasir ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

1488 - Sultan Muhammad II ibn Azhar ud-din ibn 'Ali, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan 'Ali II ibn Fakhr ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

Sultan Fakhr ud-din, Sultan of Adal.

15xx - 1525 Sultan 'Abu Bakar ibn Muhammad Azhar ud-din, Sultan of Harrar. He transferred his capital to Harrar in August 1520

1525 - 1544 [Imam Muhammad Gragn] Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi, Sultan of Harrar. b. at Zeila, son of Ibrahim al-Ghazi. Served with his father against the Sultan Abu Bakar of Zeila, who killed Ibrahim al-Ghazi in the contest. Later returned and defeated the Sultan on behalf of Amir Mahfruz of Harrar, earning for himself the title of Sheikh of Zeila. Invaded and devastated the Christian kingdom of Ethiopia from Showa in the north to Hamasen in the south 1527-1543. Defeated and killed at the foot of Mount Zantara, by a combined force of Portuguese and Ethiopians, 1544 Began his reign 6th June 1525. m. Bati Del Wambara (m. second, Imam Nur ul-Mujtahid, Sultan of Harrar - see below), daughter of Amir Mahfuz, of Harar and Adal (k. in battle by Emperor Lebna Dengal, at Yifat).
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1544 - 1552 Interregnum.

1552 - 1567 Imam Nur ul-Mujtahid, Sultan of Harrar. Succeeded on the death of his uncle. m. Del Wambara, widow of his uncle and predecessor, Imam Muhammad III Ahmad Gran ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi, Sultan of Harrar. He d. on his return from an expedition into Shoa, September 1567.

1567 - 1569 Sultan Usman ul-Habashi, Sultan of Harrar.

1569 - 1571 Sultan Talha, Sultan of Harrar.

1571 - 1573 Sultan Nasir II ibn Usman, Sultan of Harrar.

1573 - 1576 Sultan Muhammad IV ibn Nasir ibn Usman, Sultan of Harrar. Defeated and killed by Emperor Malik Sagad.

- 1583 Sultan Mansur III ibn Muhammad, Sultan of Harrar.

Sultan Muhammad V ibn Ibrahim Jaisk, Sultan of Harrar.

Sultan Fasil, Sultan of Harrar.
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Amirate of Harrar
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16xx - 1647 Amir 'Ali ibn Daud, Amir of Harrar. He d. 28th June 1647.

1647 - 1662 Amir Hashim, Amir of Harrar. He d. 23rd November 1662.

1662 - 1671 Amir 'Abdullah I ibn 'Ali, Amir of Harrar. He d. 11th February 1671.

1671 - 1700 Amir Talha ibn 'Abdullah, Amir of Harrar. He d. 10th February 1700.

1700 - 1721 Amir Abu Bakar I ibn 'Abdullah, Amir of Harrar. He d. 5th November 1721.

1721 - 1732 Amir Khalaf ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 1st June 1732.

1732 - 1733 Amir Hamid ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 14th August 1733.

1733 - 1747 Amir Yusuf ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 22nd February 1747.

1747 - 1755 Amir Ahmed I ibn Abu Bakar, Amir of Harrar. He d. 30th December 1755.

1755 - 1782 Amir Muhammad ibn Yusuf, Amir of Harrar. He d. 16th December 1782.

1782 - 1783 Amir 'Abdu's Shakur ibn Yusuf, Amir of Harrar. He d. 31st May 1783.

1783 - 1794 Amir Ahmad II ibn Muhammad, Amir of Harrar. He d. 18th November 1794.
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1794 - 1820 Amir 'Abdu'l Rahman ibn Muhammad, Amir of Harrar. He d. 15th January 1820.



^^The names I highlighted above are really interesting in that only Marehan have those names especially during those times.


Diini....Khalaf Hussein Yosef...Maxamaed Da'uud..etc etc

And look at Talhe, a prominent Marehan clan today (Nabeela's ayeeyo) and a name that is in no other Somali clan's geneology

Sultan Badalai bin Sa'ad ad-Din ruled the muslim Sultanate of Adal from 1432 to 1445 according to Fatuh al-habash but yours seemingly totally different ( 1386 - 1415 Sultan Sa'ad ud-din Ahmed, Sultan of Adal)

[James Dahl]

Voltage:
The list of Harari Amirs I posted I then brought into line with the Adal chronicle.
Both are incorrect though in terms of early dates. Umar Walashma did not die in 1228 CE but more like 1290.
There were several Abadirs and they have all become confused with one another.

[Xamud.]

Intresting...A Gudabirsi fellah told me that theres Marexaan sub clan who live with Cissaha and Gudabirsiga in Ethiopia, his cousins are one of them, according to him they have been living there for ages.

[xoogSADE14]

Xamud

They're the Ina Nuur of Mareexaan.

[CoolPoisons]

Intresting...A Gudabirsi fellah told me that theres Marexaan sub clan who live with Cissaha and Gudabirsiga in Ethiopia, his cousins are one of them, according to him they have been living there for ages.

We have many lost subclans living in that area and beyond who only know that they're Marehan.