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If alshabaab is A terror group, Saudi arabia is one too

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If alshabaab is A terror group, Saudi arabia is one too

Postby KUUSH » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:23 pm

it's time somalis to eccept alshabaab and hisbulaah leadership. if u look at the world there more tyranies that worst then alshabaab. for instance, Saudi arabia it's people accept thier govermenent leadership and obey the rules of their country with out comparing it tother countrie's laws. alshabaab has proven it's self free of tribelism, corruption. they have thier own weakness like any other administration in the world which can be corrected in the long run.

Saudi arabia is not different then alshabaab. read here the simlilarity of their islamic laws and yet no one calls saudis terrorist.

Saudi Arabia is one of a number of countries where courts continue to impose corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for robbery, and flogging for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance" and drunkenness. The number of lashes is not clearly prescribed by law and is varied according to the discretion of judges, and ranges from dozens of lashes to several thousand, usually applied over a period of weeks or months.

In 2004, the United Nations Committee against Torture criticized Saudi Arabia over the amputations and floggings it carries out under Sharia. The Saudi delegation responded defending "legal traditions" held since the inception of Islam 1,400 years ago and rejected interference in its legal system.

Saudi Arabia also engages in capital punishment, including public executions by beheading.[4] Beheading is the punishment for murderers, rapists, drug traffickers and armed robbers, according to strict interpretation of Islamic law. In 2005, there were 191 executions, in 2006 there were 38 and as of July 2007 there were already 102 including three women.

A spokesman for Saudi Arabia's National Society for Human Rights has said that numbers of executions are rising because crime rates are rising, that prisoners are treated humanely, and that the beheadings deter crime, saying, ""Allah, our creator, knows best what's good for his people...Should we just think of and preserve the rights of the murderer and not think of the rights of others?"[5]

In 1997, Human Rights Watch examined the case of Abd al-Karim Mara'i al-Naqshabandi, who was executed after being convicted of practicing witchcraft against his employer. The organization concluded that the Saudi legal system "fails to provide minimum due process guarantees and offers myriad opportunities for well-connected individuals to manipulate the system to their advantage."[6]


[edit] Women's rights
Main article: Women's rights in Saudi Arabia
Saudi women face severe discrimination in many aspects of their lives, including education, employment, and the justice system and are clearly regarded as inferior to men. Although they make up 70% of those enrolled in universities, women make up just 5% of the workforce in Saudi Arabia,[7] the lowest proportion in the world.

The treatment of women has been referred to as "gender apartheid."[8][9][10] Implementation of a government resolution supporting expanded employment opportunities for women met resistance from within the labor ministry,[11] from the religious police,[12] and from the male citizenry.[13]

These institutions and individuals generally claim that according to Sharia a woman's place is in the home caring for her husband and family. It is a country where culture and religion make women live mostly restricted segregated lives. There is also segregation inside their own homes as some rooms have separate entrances for men and women. [14]

In the legal system, women face discrimination. An example of this is the requirements for testifying in criminal proceedings; The witness must be deemed sane, the age of an adult, and a Muslim. Non-Muslims may not testify in criminal court. Women may not testify unless it is a personal matter that did not occur in the sight of men. The testimony of a woman is not regarded as fact but as presumption. The reasons women are forbidden to testify in proceedings are (quote):[15][16]

Women are much more emotional than men and will, as a result of their emotions, distort their testimony.
Women do not participate in public life, so they will not be capable of understanding what they observe.
Women are dominated completely by men, who by the grace of God are deemed superior; therefore, women will give testimony according to what the last man told them.
Women are forgetful, and their testimony cannot be considered reliable.
As a result of these laws women are vulnerable in cases of assault and/or rape, as their testimony is treated as a presumption, while that of their attackers is accepted as fact. In some cases, victims of sexual assault are punished on the grounds that they should not be alone with unrelated males. It happened recently when a woman, victim of a gang rape, was sentenced by a Saudi court to six months in prison and 200 lashes for violating laws on segregation of the sexes, as she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.[17]

This case attracted the attention of the UN which expressed its concerns regarding the social attitudes and the system of male guardianship which deter women from reporting crimes and lead to a patriarchal system. Women are therefore prevented from escaping abusive environments because of their lack of autonomy and economic independence, practices surrounding divorce and child custody, the absence of a law criminalizing violence against women, and inconsistencies in the application of laws and procedures.[18]

Women are not allowed to drive or ride bicycles on public roads in large cities. However, some do so on rural roads illegally.[citation needed] Women are allowed to fly aircraft, though they must be chauffeured to the airport.[19]

Women's rights are at the heart of calls for reform in Saudi Arabia - calls that are challenging the kingdom's political status quo[14] and the pressure from Western governments and from institutions such as the UN helps speed up the process. Local and international women's groups are also pushing governments to respond, taking advantage of the fact that some rulers are eager to project a more progressive image to the West.

The presence of powerful businesswomen—still a rare breed—in some of these groups helps get them heard.[17] Prior to 2008, women were not allowed to enter hotels and furnished apartments without a chaperon or mahram. With a 2008 Royal Decree, however, the only requirement needed to allow women to enter hotels are their national ID cards, and the hotel must inform the nearest police station of their room reservation and length of stay, however this happens with everybody staying in the hotel not just women.[20]

Encouraged by the recent advances in women's rights, advocates for the right of women to drive in Saudi Arabia have collected more than 3,000 signatures hoping that the driving ban will also be lifted this year (2008) by King Abdullah. But the chances for this to happen are still small in Saudi Arabia's deeply religious and patriarchal society, where many believe that allowing women the right to drive could lead to Western-style openness and an erosion of traditional values.[21]

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Re: If alshabaab is A terror group, Saudi arabia is one too

Postby Agoon60 » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:22 pm

Hog wash :down: :down:

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Re: If alshabaab is A terror group, Saudi arabia is one too

Postby Voltage » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:23 pm

Whether we like it or not, Al Shabaab is taking over this country anyways

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Re: If alshabaab is A terror group, Saudi arabia is one too

Postby Agoon60 » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:33 pm

Voltage wrote:Whether we like it or not, Al Shabaab is taking over this country anyways


Even if they did, how would they govern; better yet, do they know the meanings of word govern. All they know is endless fighting and draconian barbaric justices to only terrorizing the masses. Alle Aa u maqan the poor Somalis who must endure this

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Re: If alshabaab is A terror group, Saudi arabia is one too

Postby Warsan_Star_Muslimah » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:22 pm

KUUSH wrote:it's time somalis to eccept alshabaab and hisbulaah leadership. if u look at the world there more tyranies that worst then alshabaab. for instance, Saudi arabia it's people accept thier govermenent leadership and obey the rules of their country with out comparing it tother countrie's laws. alshabaab has proven it's self free of tribelism, corruption. they have thier own weakness like any other administration in the world which can be corrected in the long run.


Yeah, their weakness is Suicide bombing - a NO under sharia law. Therefore that is a clear NO from me, I will not support them. :down:

I think they are completely bonkers, all their supporters are bonkers and the sooner they disappear, the thousand alhamdulilahs.

Beledweyen 2009! 80 ppl! 80 ppl! remember that! :evil: women and children slaughtered for nothing. (AUN :rose: ) And they have the audacity to say they were gaalo? Inalilah. Tis why I say they are bonkers. Macsalaam Somalia, now you are really in hot water. :cry:

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Re: If alshabaab is A terror group, Saudi arabia is one too

Postby Hoowle » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:32 pm

The world will not accept a pro-Al Qaeda group to take the helm of any country let alone of a country that had no central government for 20 years. And Al Shabaab are terrorist group for 5 primary reasons:

1) Uses terrorism (suicide bombings against civilians) to achieve its political ends
2) It's non-state entity which pretty much seals their fate vis-a-vis the reason 1 above
3) It has pledged allegience to Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, an outlawed fugitive group
4)It rejects international laws, conventions, norms and what have you which impacts reason 3
5) It has threatened world peace by declaring war on the USA, Solomon Islands, Chile, Kenya, Ethiopia and a number of other countries with Jihad

... moreover, Al Shabaab are sectarian fascists who want to impose their draconian laws without people's consent. They're undemocratic, against all personal freedoms including the freedom of religion. Their primary means of gaining the assent of the populace is fear and threats of violence. The world fought against Hilter's fascism and so should they sectarian fascists.


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