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Can The Economy Recover?

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Can The Economy Recover?

Postby AR1223 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:03 pm

There is no economy left to recover. The US manufacturing economy was lost to offshoring and free trade ideology. It was replaced by a mythical “New Economy.”

The “New Economy” was based on services. Its artificial life was fed by the Federal Reserve’s artificially low interest rates, which produced a real estate bubble, and by “free market” financial deregulation, which unleashed financial gangsters to new heights of debt leverage and fraudulent financial products.

The real economy was traded away for a make-believe economy. When the make-believe economy collapsed, Americans’ wealth in their real estate, pensions, and savings collapsed dramatically while their jobs disappeared.

The debt economy caused Americans to leverage their assets. They refinanced their homes and spent the equity. They maxed out numerous credit cards. They worked as many jobs as they could find. Debt expansion and multiple family incomes kept the economy going.

And now suddenly Americans can’t borrow in order to spend. They are over their heads in debt. Jobs are disappearing. America’s consumer economy, approximately 70% of GDP, is dead. Those Americans who still have jobs are saving against the prospect of job loss. Millions are homeless. Some have moved in with family and friends; others are living in tent cities.

Meanwhile the US government’s budget deficit has jumped from $455 billion in 2008 to $2,000 billion this year, with another $2,000 billion on the books for
2010. And President Obama has intensified America’s expensive war of aggression in Afghanistan and initiated a new war in Pakistan.

There is no way for these deficits to be financed except by printing money or by further collapse in stock markets that would drive people out of equity into bonds.

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The US government’s budget is 50% in the red. That means half of every dollar the federal government spends must be borrowed or printed. Because of the worldwide debacle caused by Wall Street’s financial gangsterism, the world needs its own money and hasn’t $2 trillion annually to lend to Washington.

As dollars are printed, the growing supply adds to the pressure on the dollar’s role as reserve currency. Already America’s largest creditor, China, is admonishing Washington to protect China’s investment in US debt and lobbying for a new reserve currency to replace the dollar before it collapses. According to various reports, China is spending down its holdings of US dollars by acquiring gold and stocks of raw materials and energy.

The price of one ounce gold coins is $1,000 despite efforts of the US government to hold down the gold price. How high will this price jump when the rest of the world decides that the bankruptcy of “the world’s only superpower” is at hand?

And what will happen to America’s ability to import not only oil, but also the manufactured goods on which it is import-dependent?

When the over-supplied US dollar loses the reserve currency role, the US will no longer be able to pay for its massive imports of real goods and services with pieces of paper. Overnight, shortages will appear and Americans will be poorer.

Nothing in Presidents Bush and Obama’s economic policy addresses the real issues. Instead, Goldman Sachs was bailed out, more than once. As Eliot Spitzer said, the banks made a “bloody fortune” with US aid.

It was not the millions of now homeless homeowners who were bailed out. It was not the scant remains of American manufacturing–General Motors and Chrysler–that were bailed out. It was the Wall Street Banks.

According to Bloomberg.com, Goldman Sachs’ current record earnings from their free or low cost capital supplied by broke American taxpayers has led the firm to decide to boost compensation and benefits by 33 percent. On an annual basis, this comes to compensation of $773,000 per employee.

This should tell even the most dimwitted patriot who “their” government represents.

The worst of the economic crisis has not yet hit. I don’t mean the rest of the real estate crisis that is waiting in the wings. Home prices will fall further when the foreclosed properties currently held off the market are dumped. Store and office closings are adversely impacting the ability of owners of shopping malls and office buildings to make their mortgage payments. Commercial real estate loans were also securitized and turned into derivatives.

The real crisis awaits us. It is the crisis of high unemployment, of stagnant and declining real wages confronted with rising prices from the printing of money to pay the government’s bills and from the dollar’s loss of exchange value. Suddenly, Wal-Mart prices will look like Nieman Marcus prices.

Retirees dependent on state pension systems, which cannot print money, might not be paid, or might be paid with IOUs. They will not even have depreciating money with which to try to pay their bills. Desperate tax authorities will squeeze the remaining life out of the middle class.

Nothing in Obama’s economic policy is directed at saving the US dollar as reserve currency or the livelihoods of the American people. Obama’s policy, like Bush’s before him, is keyed to the enrichment of Goldman Sachs and the armament industries.

Matt Taibbi describes Goldman Sachs as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentless jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.” Look at the Goldman Sachs representatives in the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations. This bankster firm controls the economic policy of the United States.

Little wonder that Goldman Sachs has record earnings while the rest of us grow poorer by the day.

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby AR1223 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:05 pm

Those of you who live in America should take this article very serious and make necessary preparations before it's too late.

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby FAH1223 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:20 pm

Those of you who live in America should take this article very serious and make necessary preparations before it's too late.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby AR1223 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:25 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Some years down the road, I would expect:

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby AR1223 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:01 pm

Goldman Sachs' Financial Boom: A Political Mess for Obama?

In a clear departure from the historical norm, the White House is not cheering the return of huge profits to Wall Street. On the contrary, the recent windfalls at Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan, and the promise of giant year-end paydays for banking executives and traders, has caused a bit of consternation in the West Wing, coming as it does so soon after the taxpayer bailouts saved the entire financial system from total collapse.

"If I were a Wall Street firm, I would perhaps be cognizant of the fact that the financial regulatory-reform process is only beginning in Congress," warns a senior White House official, speaking about the political problems that huge paydays at Wall Street firms could create later this year, when new laws to regulate the industry will be written on Capitol Hill. Officials have also begun to worry aloud whether the Wall Street firms learned anything from the catastrophic financial crisis that was largely of their making or whether they are now returning to the old business of making short-term profits that create long-term risks.

On July 14, Goldman Sachs posted second-quarter profits of $3.44 billion, more than the company made in all of 2008 and about on par with the precrisis gilded age, while announcing that it had set aside $11.4 billion this year to compensate workers, or $386,489 per employee. The huge profits were hailed on Wall Street as another sign that the crisis might be ending. On July 15, the Dow Jones industrial average jumped 3.1%, and other banking giants are expected to issue their own similarly glowing reports. On July 16, JPMorgan announced that it had earned $2.7 billion in the second quarter. (Read "Despite the Economy's Struggles, Stock Market Soars.")

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The good news for traders has created two distinct concerns for President Obama's advisers. The first problem is political. For much of the year, populist revulsion at Wall Street greed has been palpable. Obama, who prides himself on his cool countenance, has repeatedly channeled this fury, flashing anger and frustration at the logic of financial titans, who continued to justify huge paydays even as their banks begged financial lifelines from the U.S. taxpayer. "That is the height of irresponsibility," the President said in January, after a report emerged of large 2008 bonuses on Wall Street. "It is shameful."

But the President has thus far resisted calls for a heavy government hand in limiting financial paydays, aside from certain limits on senior executives at firms that have not paid back some taxpayer funds and a number of proposals for regulators to develop new ways of better tying compensation to long-term risks. That leaves the White House vulnerable in the coming months. If Wall Street decides to cash in on its recent winnings despite the public rhetoric of the Administration, the contrast with the nation's still growing unemployment rate couldn't be starker. "It's just got to feel wrong to a lot of people," says Douglas Elliott, a fellow at the Brookings Institution, speaking of the Goldman compensation announcement. "It seems to me a political mistake."

The eye-popping Goldman profits also create a policy problem for lawmakers, including the President, as they try to reform the financial system to ensure that history does not repeat itself. At issue is not just the safeguards that traders are using to ensure that another crisis of confidence doesn't occur, but whether traders on Wall Street are taking advantage of the public backstop against systemic failure to create personal profits. "We want financial systems to be healthy," says Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary. But, he adds, "the President continues to have concerns that compensation will be based on risky behavior instead of performance." (Read "Obama Urges Congress Not to Block the Bailout.")

Though both Goldman and JPMorgan have paid back their infusion of Treasury dollars, the recent crisis has made clear to investors that the firms are considered by U.S. policymakers to be "too big to fail." The crisis has also created a premium for those firms willing to take on more risk in trades. According to company data, Goldman - which converted to a commercial bank at the height of the crisis in order to gain easier access to cheaper government credit - has significantly reduced its leverage ratio, which measures how much money it borrows, from 27.9 at the beginning of 2008 to 14.2 today. At the same time, Goldman has increased the amount of money it is risking on a day-to-day basis, and the number of competitors it faces in the marketplace has significantly shrunk, with onetime stalwarts like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers becoming casualties of the crisis.

The President's financial reforms, which were sent to Congress earlier this summer, have yet to be acted upon by the banking committees in the House and Senate, and White House officials do not expect concrete legislative action until late this year at the earliest. That means that both the White House and Congress can expect many more months of needing to explain why it is O.K. for Wall Street to be thriving while the rest of the country, and much of the world, is suffering. As Gibbs explained on July 15, when asked about the big Wall Street paydays, "It is something that continues to be a great concern."

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby Spursman » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:08 pm

The economy will only recover if they adopt sharia finance but thats not possible with caadaans. :lol:

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby AR1223 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:10 pm

The economy will only recover if they adopt sharia finance but thats not possible with caadaans. :lol:
So, it's bound to collapse?

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby Spursman » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:11 pm

AR1223 i think so but they might save it.

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby AR1223 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:13 pm

AR1223 i think so but they might save it.
Your hope is that it's saved?

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby SummerRain » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:03 pm



:lol: :lol: :lol: ..................... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby Basra- » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:09 am

I too, am afraid of the economy of US. ITs disastrous. We need to go back to the old ways. I suspect, the manufacturings will be back as soon as we hit the bottoms. Basically, the manufacturies have gone where labour is cheap. As the economy worsens here in the us, so will the standard of price. Therefore, i am hoping, with government taxes reduced, companies might come back! Otherwise, USA will have to colapse and vanish like former Russia.But thankfully, the competitions are not that threatening.(China & India) They have their own problems to surpass anything called 'a success' story. Over population, lack of free trade democracy, all this is an obsticle to economy thriving. :clap: I say, USA will come back! We have hit rock bottom before and made it up. We can do it again, Yes we can! :up: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby Shirwac_1 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:20 am

lol Basra I would not really count on that. Dunida sedexaad wey ilbaxdey , I dont think they have any desire to go back.

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Re: Can The Economy Recover?

Postby AR1223 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:53 am

I too, am afraid of the economy of US. ITs disastrous. We need to go back to the old ways. I suspect, the manufacturings will be back as soon as we hit the bottoms. Basically, the manufacturies have gone where labour is cheap. As the economy worsens here in the us, so will the standard of price. Therefore, i am hoping, with government taxes reduced, companies might come back! Otherwise, USA will have to colapse and vanish like former Russia.But thankfully, the competitions are not that threatening.(China & India) They have their own problems to surpass anything called 'a success' story. Over population, lack of free trade democracy, all this is an obsticle to economy thriving. :clap: I say, USA will come back! We have hit rock bottom before and made it up. We can do it again, Yes we can! :up: :clap: :clap:
Basra, there's no going back to the old ways. There are drastic changes ahead of the way. There's no correlation between a thriving economy and overpopulation, lack of democracy, etc. China is overpopulated, lacks democracy, and yet has the best economy.


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