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Can killing innocent civilians in warfare be justified?

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Yes, at least based on "an eye for an eye"
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Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby SahanKoonfur » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:17 am

Based on the principle of "an eye for an eye", which can be found in the 3 monotheistic religions, killing innocent civilians can be justified. If the troops of one country intentionally (or not) kill innocent civilians, the troops of the other country have the right to retaliate in kind. For example, if North Korea launches an intercontinental missile that hits a major American city, America will surely retaliate in kind by hitting a major North Korean city, killing perhaps millions. Or should America not retaliate in kind?

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby SummerRain » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:48 am

How about leaving it to ALLAH to take care of it in the after life? THere is nothing good that comes out of revenge and taking the life of an innocent soul, who perhaps knew nothing or had nothing to do with what his brother did. Dadka waxaa uu fiicaan inay iska samraan.

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby KUUSH » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:09 am

How about leaving it to ALLAH to take care of it in the after life? THere is nothing good that comes out of revenge and taking the life of an innocent soul, who perhaps knew nothing or had nothing to do with what his brother did. Dadka waxaa uu fiicaan inay iska samraan.
two wrongs do not fo right. it's like the stupid somali culture were people are killed cuz some one from thier tribe that may not even know or related killed some one.

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby SummerRain » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:08 am

How about leaving it to ALLAH to take care of it in the after life? THere is nothing good that comes out of revenge and taking the life of an innocent soul, who perhaps knew nothing or had nothing to do with what his brother did. Dadka waxaa uu fiicaan inay iska samraan.
two wrongs do not fo right. it's like the stupid somali culture were people are killed cuz some one from thier tribe that may not even know or related killed some one.
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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby The Nomad » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:13 am

Kufr blood is allowed to be spilt, regardless of innocence in times of war.

Therefore 9/11, 7/7, etc. are justified.

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby Khalid Ali » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:25 am

And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress the limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors"
(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190)

Not transgressing the limits means not to kill women and children, for the Messenger of Allah (saws) "forbade the killing of women and children" [5]. Not transgressing the limits means that the elderly, the sick, monks, worshippers and hired labourers are not attacked. Not transgressing the limits means not killing animals wantonly, burning crops and vegetation, polluting waters and destroying homes, monasteries, churches and synagogues


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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby FAH1223 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:43 am

Based on the principle of "an eye for an eye", which can be found in the 3 monotheistic religions, killing innocent civilians can be justified. If the troops of one country intentionally (or not) kill innocent civilians, the troops of the other country have the right to retaliate in kind. For example, if North Korea launches an intercontinental missile that hits a major American city, America will surely retaliate in kind by hitting a major North Korean city, killing perhaps millions. Or should America not retaliate in kind?
If the Prophet SAW forbade even the killing of a fly in a battle, what makes you justified in believing you can destroy innocent lives and property?

two wrongs don't make a right

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby surrender » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:59 am

Kufr blood is allowed to be spilt, regardless of innocence in times of war.

Therefore 9/11, 7/7, etc. are justified.

istaqfurulah dheh! this is what i head anyways. Islam does not in anyway allow for the killing of any innocent soul, believers/non believers.
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
kill those who fight you baa lagu yiri, not any random non believers!!
..if the enemy wants to do us harm, then we must punish those who did us harm. Otherwise, we must treat the enemy civilians and the innocents with kindness
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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby AyanTu » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:04 pm

LOL that this is being talked over - Really if the US was attacked, they will fight back
blindly, we've already seen that.

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby SahanKoonfur » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:21 pm

How about leaving it to ALLAH to take care of it in the after life? THere is nothing good that comes out of revenge and taking the life of an innocent soul, who perhaps knew nothing or had nothing to do with what his brother did. Dadka waxaa uu fiicaan inay iska samraan.
Isn't what's good for the goose supposed to be good for the gander?
If the Prophet SAW forbade even the killing of a fly in a battle, what makes you justified in believing you can destroy innocent lives and property?

two wrongs don't make a right
Islam teaches to attack the enemies how they attack Muslims. I'm sure you know the verse that allows to attack in kind.
LOL that this is being talked over - Really if the US was attacked, they will fight back
blindly, we've already seen that.
The US has done the worst. Hundreds thousands of innocent Japanese civilians were nuked in WW2. The US, on its own admission, admitted nuking those innocent civilians wasn't neccessary to end the war. What's more, the US could have dropped the nuclear bombs in a less populated town/city to make a point and minimize casualties, but instead chose two of the most populated cities in Japan. Britain, the US' lapdog, did the same by massacring tens thousands of innocent German civilians at the conclusion of WW2 and when Germany was already defeated. Let's not delve into what the US did in Vietnam, or what it's still doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby SummerRain » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:27 pm

How about leaving it to ALLAH to take care of it in the after life? THere is nothing good that comes out of revenge and taking the life of an innocent soul, who perhaps knew nothing or had nothing to do with what his brother did. Dadka waxaa uu fiicaan inay iska samraan.
Isn't what's good for the goose supposed to be good for the gander?

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Not necessarily. That would depend on the individual. Do you not believe in the greater reward of practicing patience?

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby SahanKoonfur » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:38 pm

Not necessarily. That would depend on the individual. Do you not believe in the greater reward of practicing patience?
Of course, patience is a virtue, but we are talking here about what Islam (also Christianity & Judaism) sanctions (in specific cases). Islam sactions to attack or retaliate in kind. Killing innocent civilians is maddness and repugnant, but it isn't unjustified. If a Muslim commander exercises patience not to retaliate in kind, I will not condemn him. If the same commander exercises the right to retaliate in kind, I will not condemn him.

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby FAH1223 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:42 pm

If the Prophet SAW forbade even the killing of a fly in a battle, what makes you justified in believing you can destroy innocent lives and property?

two wrongs don't make a right
Islam teaches to attack the enemies how they attack Muslims. I'm sure you know the verse that allows to attack in kind.
do you believe you can kill innocent people in war?

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby Khalid Ali » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:43 pm

Walahi some people are really lost I am so worried for their soul. :|

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Re: Killing Innocent Civilians in Warfare

Postby Hyperactive » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:45 pm

arabman shoqol kiisi bo ko so noqday walle.

where is admin hana fareesiye like he did before?!


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