Interesting article to read

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Muhamid ali,




Killing civilians is totally prohibited in Islam. But individual terorists is one thing, and state terrorism is another. Its a disaster when the most powerful nation on earth turns its army into a terrorist mega group. Terrorists don't have access to US arsenal of lethal weapons of mass destructions, they can wrongly behead a few innocent guys, but a terrorist state army is, unfortunately, able to wipe whole cities from the face of the earth. And please remember, did you hear of any Iraqi terrorist, any incident of beheading, before the US invaded and occupied Iraq? did you hear of any palestinean who blew himself up before zionists stole their home land?

Terrorism is totally condemned by me, as well as any true Muslim, but it is a state army of terrorists with high adrenaline and shoot-them-up gamers in uniform, behind real big guns, that the world should really be more worried from. The US is the only nation that I know of that trains its army personnels to 'kill' not to 'fight'. They are instructed, for example, to demolish a whole building on its inhabitants, instead of searching for someone hiding inside. They don't give second thoughts on innocent civilians killed in the process. What the US is doing is simply making this world less safe for us to live in, pushing whole generations to a lose-lose situations, where you get so desperate, that life and death look the same. Their use of inhumane excessive force are urging more people to turn themselves in to terrorist ideologies, everyday, where taking ones own life, and the mercy of God in the process, without realizing it, is not accounted for anymore.

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thanks sis for sharing. asalam

[dhuusa_deer]

There is no such thing as 'state terrorism'. Its nothing but an oxymoron used by terrorist apologists.

Armies of nation states will certainly bring death and destruction to their opponent's civilians during times of war. That has been the case since the dawn of warfare. Its unavoidable fact of war. But only a dishonest person will say the armies of the civilised world today don't go out of their way not to harm innocent civilians. There is no deliberate intent to harm civilians. Not from any civilised nation state.

However, Islamic terrorists have no qualms about killing innocent civilians. For illustration we need not search long, evidences are plenty. Bali, New York, London, Beslan, Madrid...All involved the deliberate, premeditated, cold-blooded massacres of non-combatants.

To insinuate moral equivalency between on one hand premeditated and deliberate killing of civilians and unavoidable fact of warefare, is to concede total moral bankruptcy. No wonder the muslim world is so phucked up. They are struggling to tell apart simple things as good from bad, right from wrong.

[biko]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]There is no such thing as 'state terrorism'. Its nothing but an oxymoron used by terrorist apologists.
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what the israelis are tdoing in palestine is state terrorism
the invasion and occupation of iraq is state terrorism.




Armies of nation states will certainly bring death and destruction to their opponent's civilians during times of war. That has been the case since the dawn of warfare. Its unavoidable fact of war. But only a dishonest person will say the armies of the civilised world today don't go out of their way not to harm innocent civilians. There is no deliberate intent to harm civilians. Not from any civilised nation state.
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i honnestly hope that you dont realy believe the above statment! you talk about brainwashed people and dare to critisise islam when you cant even tell the difference between a legitimate war and the deliberate distruction of a whole nation. jew loving motherfockers like you should be put in a focking blender.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Biko
He is right. Either you are ignorant or willfully being dishonest. I can tell you with absolute certainty that we go out of our way to avoid civilian casualties and collateral damage. Surely you must know that almost all of the Muslims being killed in Iraq today are being killed by their fellow Muslims.

If the Muslims of the world want our armies to go away, the best way to make that happen is:

Not attack those armies

Not attack the states in question

Use non-violent tactics to exert pressure to achieve your desired ends.

As the spiral of violence increases, it starts to become a question of which side can apply more violence to the other. Is there any doubt which side that is? You will never get the US to back off by attacking it. You only corner it. And as the old Somali saying goes, if you corner a cat, it will kill you.

[biko]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Biko
He is right. Either you are ignorant or willfully being dishonest. I can tell you with absolute certainty that we go out of our way to avoid civilian casualties and collateral damage. Surely you must know that almost all of the Muslims being killed in Iraq today are being killed by their fellow Muslims.
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am sorry but i have to disagree. i dont buy it for one minute that americans go out of their way to avoid civilians. i believe the total opposit, which is to cause maximume civilian casulties; i aint been dishonnest, nor am i ignorant. your history speaks for itself and as far as am concern, americans are a bunch of blood hungry murderers with no morals.




If the Muslims of the world want our armies to go away, the best way to make that happen is:

Not attack those armies

Not attack the states in question

Use non-violent tactics to exert pressure to achieve your desired ends.
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if you kept your nose out of everybody's afairs, then maybe there wouldnt be any need to resort to violence.

and why is it that you "mad mac" always like to make your point with a tone of intimidation? do as we told you or else!




As the spiral of violence increases, it starts to become a question of which side can apply more violence to the other. Is there any doubt which side that is? You will never get the US to back off by attacking it. You only corner it. And as the old Somali saying goes, if you corner a cat, it will kill you.
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i think that somali saying doesnt apply in this situation, cos america is the aggressor and at the moment the people who are cornered are the iraqis, palestinians, chechnians, afghanistan and so on....

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

America isn't the aggrssor. America was compelled to violent actin by the events of 9-11. You know that. Prior to 9-11 our forces in the Middle East were miniscule.

As for US military operations, who here works on operational staffs in the US military and who doesn't? Don't you think it's possible, just possible, that maybe I have some insight on this one that you lack? Call me funny here, but I suspect I know a little bit more about how the US mlitary functions than you do.

[biko]

[quote="MAD MAC"]
As for US military operations, who here works on operational staffs in the US military and who doesn't? Don't you think it's possible, just possible, that maybe I have some insight on this one that you lack? Call me funny here, but I suspect I know a little bit more about how the US mlitary functions than you do.[/quote]
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i have no doubt that you know much more about the US milatary than i do and thats the whole point! to me you are just another american soldier with a itchy triger finger and i never expect anything less than the palava you spit across this pages trying to justify whats unjustifiable.


and as for the 9/11 incident, i do not believe for one minute that your country and leaders didnt have any hand in it.