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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby rabanam » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:32 am

Basra- wrote:rabanam...so if clinton administration accidentally kills iraqi civilians does that make it right to kill fellow iraqis??I think u missed my point. My point was- why suicide bombers killing their own fellow iraqis??? 150 iraqis died, 24 being children. U and that dumb Queen arewello up there think i am argueing for the american soldiers--which i am--in a sense-- i am arguing for the sake of humanity. Iraqi and american soldier, to me they are the same. Humabeings. Any loss of their life is a tragedy! Fahamtu? :|
Basra, I think it's you who missed the point, and the Clinton administration didn't "accidentally" kill millions of Iraqi children; it was intentionally. They knew what the sanctions were doing, yet they pressed on it. At the pace suicide bombings are going on worldwide, it will not reach the number of the casualties of US sanctions for 200 years more to come. That's just sanctions, but there's also depleted uranium, which kills more Iraqis 100 times more than what suicide bombings kill annually. This is the latest article about depleted uranium:

Dead Babies in Iraq and Afghanistan are No Joke
Depleted Uranium Weapons

The horrors of the US Agent Orange campaign in Vietnam, about which I wrote on Oct. 15, could ultimately be dwarfed by the horrors of the depleted uranium weapons which the US began using in the 1991 Gulf War (300 tons), and which it used much more extensively, and in more urban, populated areas, in the Iraq War and the now intensifying Afghanistan War.

Depleted uranium, despite it’s rather benign sounding name, is not depleted of radioactivity or toxicity. The term depleted refers to its being depleted of the U-235 isotope needed for fission reactions in nuclear reactors. The nuclear waster material from nuclear power plants, DU as it is known, is essentially composed of the uranium isotope U-238 as well as U-236 (a product of nuclear reactor fission, not found in nature), as well as other trace radioactive elements. It turns out to be an ideal metal for a number of weapons uses, and has been capitalized on by the Pentagon. 1.7 times heavier than lead, and much harder than steel, and with the added property of burning at a super-hot temperature, DU has proven to be an ideal penetrator for warheads that need to pierce thick armor or dense concrete bunkers made of reinforced concrete and steel. Accordingly it has found its way into 30 mm machine gun ammunition, especially that used by the A-10 Warthog ground-attack fighter planes used extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as Kosovo). It is also the warhead of choice for Abrams tanks and is also reportedly used in GBU-28 and the later GBU-37 bunker buster bombs. DU is also used as ballast in cruise missiles, and thus burns up when they detonate their conventional explosives. Some cruise missiles are also designed to hit hardened targets and reportedly feature DU warheads, as does the AGM-130 air-to-ground missile, which carries a one-ton penetrating warhead.

While the Pentagon has continued to claim, against all scientific evidence, there is no hazard posed by depleted uranium, US troops in Iraq have reportedly been instructed to avoid any sites where these weapons have been used—destroyed Iraqi tanks, exploded bunkers, etc. Suspiciously, international health officials have been prevented from doing medical studies of DU sites. A series of articles several years ago by the Christian Science Monitor (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0515/p01s02-woiq.html) described how reporters from that newspaper had visited such sites with Geiger-counters and had found them to be extremely “hot” with radioactivity. The big danger with DU is not as a metal, but after it has exploded and burned, when the particles of uranium oxide, which are just as radioactive as the pure isotopes, can be inhaled or injested. Even the smallest particle of uranium is both deadly poisonous as a chemical, and can cause cancer.

There are reports of a dramatic increase in the incidence of deformed babies being born in the city of Fallujah, where DU weapons were in wide use during the November 2004 assault on that city by US Marines.

But the real impact of the first heavy use of depleted uranium weaponry in populous urban environments will come over the years, as the toxic legacy of this latest American war crime begins to show up in rising numbers of cancers, birth defects and other genetic disorders in Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff10202009.html

So Basra, you're outraged by suicide bombings that cause a few/several tens casualties when you watch the breaking news of CNN, Fox News and other channels, but you're heartless to millions who have died and continue to die from sanctions and depleted uranium. Not to mention, you're also heartless to what America's 1000/2000 lbs aerial bombs cause; it pulverizes entire families along with their houses, farms, animals, etc-- leaving no trace, like they didn't exist. Lastly, there was no suicide bombings (not even heard of), no Al-Qaeda or "terrorism" in Iraq before your president decided to invade and occupy a country that didn't harm America nor had anything to do with 911. So, the next time you watch CNN, Fox News or other channels, remember the other casualties, and let your heart feel something for them.

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby Basra- » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:10 am

rabanam.... :roll: it seems our brains is not compatible with each other. I am argueing oranges and u r argueing apples. :oops: Let agree to disagree. :oops: :kiss: :clap:

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby rabanam » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:16 am

Basra- wrote:rabanam.... :roll: it seems our brains is not compatible with each other. I am argueing oranges and u r argueing apples. :oops: Let agree to disagree. :oops: :kiss: :clap:
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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby SultanOrder » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:18 am

wallahi basra is so cold, rabanam look how she just deflated you and made all your efforts fruitless, this is a lesson straight from the basra handbook :lol:

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby Basra- » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:21 am

Perfect_Order How dare u say i am cold! :x U just want the arguements to continue, so u may sit there silently and read enjoyably. No thank you. And i did not delflate rabanam's efforts- i am sure i appreciate his enthusiasm, but he failed to get my point. All the quoted articles and musings will not suffice if the point is not driven. I merely and cordially seized what would have been an endless much ado about nothing. :clap: :clap:


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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby ToughGong » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:23 am

Basra- wrote:rabanam.... :roll: it seems our brains is not compatible with each other. I am argueing oranges and u r argueing apples. :oops: Let agree to disagree. :oops: :kiss: :clap:



"BEFORE YOU REMOVE THE SPLINTER IN YOUR NEIGHBOURS EYE, TAKE OUT THE LOG IN YOUR OWN EYE" COMES TO MIND. IT'S NOT APPLES AND ORANGES
IT'S BINU ADAM AND BINU ADAM.
RABANAM IS RIGHT
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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby nomadicwarlord » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:24 am

It is fair to say that those fockers are not Muslims. Brainwashing gone bad. Now skinnies are starting to embrace this kind of thinking. Don't go astray skinnies. :down:

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby SultanOrder » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:27 am

exactly seemeyer she doesn't know what she is talking about, what did she about caring for soldier and civilians

basra blah blah tomatoes tomatoes (lol both pronounciations are spelt the same) if you didn't think you did that you would of sent the rose and kiss before my coment :|

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby ToughGong » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:34 am

Perfect_Order wrote:exactly seemeyer she doesn't know what she is talking about, what did she about caring for soldier and civilians

basra blah blah tomatoes tomatoes (lol both pronounciations are spelt the same) if you didn't think you did that you would of sent the rose and kiss before my coment :|



THIS IS THE THING PO
WE ARE SO QUICK TO CONDEM THE ACTS OF OUR FIGHTERS .WHEN THE KUFAR ARE COMMITING GENOCIDE ON A DAILY BASIS LIKE RABANAM SAID

SHOCK AND AWE BASRA IS SYNONIMOUS WITH TERRORISM

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby Basra- » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:40 am

Perfect_Order and why r u following me around anayzing me? R u writing a book? :clap: :clap:

I dont know what i was talking about? I think i do. lol I was pointing out that a life is a life. An american soldier or an iraqi civilian- all r lives to me. Yes, i might have innocuously said--clinton administration innocently killed some civilians, and rabanam comes running with an entire thesis and article about how it was calculated--and not innocent. :roll: Fine-- i agree with u--- the clinton administration killed thousands and millions ( i doubt it, but for the sake of arguements--lets just say it, i dont want rabanam to come running with three pages of prooving he did kill millions)

My point was merely---Suicide bombers --who kill for sake of killing. Not that they are victim of power or gaalo oppression--they are merely thugs who want things to go their way. They are so adamantly want things to go their way that --they easily bomb their people ramdomly and killing their children.

I am saying--one need to have some moral stance, since the moral stance in this case .....is presumed.... :roll: "Religion"....where is the moral islamic code of --thau shall not kill? I want to sit with these idiots who call themselves alqaida rebels (notice i didnt say terrorist? But thats what they are)---and ask them---What is your goal? What is your goal to just show up in a market full of innocent muslims and kill thyself and them? Is the point---people to fear u? If yes--then arent they commiting the greatest act in diinta Islam? That blasphamous act of wanting to instil fear in others? Shouldnt we fear Allaah and not some idiot who has bombs straped all him, upto his baajiyaa arab smelling booty?


That is my point. Should i bullet point list them?

1. Why kill fellow muslims?

2. Why kill muslim childrens?

3. Why r they killing themselves-isnt suicide a sin?

4. What is their psychic or reasoning? Do they think they are fighting jihad?

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby rabanam » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:57 am

Basra, I thought you didn't want to continue the argument. I thought you merely and cordially seized what would have been an endless much ado about nothing, and put an end to it. Are you re-opening the argument?

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby Basra- » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:00 pm

rabanam

how about this---answer the 4 questions i posted above! Answer one by one. :clap:

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby rabanam » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:43 pm

Basra- wrote:1. Why kill fellow muslims?

2. Why kill muslim childrens?

3. Why r they killing themselves-isnt suicide a sin?

4. What is their psychic or reasoning? Do they think they are fighting jihad?
1. For a host of reasons including self-defense, revenge, retribution, etc. The idea that you can't kill a Muslim under any circumstance is faulty. There are circumstances in which killing a Muslim can be justified; like self-defense. If a Muslim puts your life at risk, and it comes down to either he/she kills you or you defend yourself and kill him/her, then you will be justified to defend yourself and kill him/her. Not all Muslims consider other Muslims as "fellow muslims." You yourself do not consider Shia Muslims, Ismaili Muslims, Druze Muslims or Rashad Khalifa Muslims as "fellow muslims"; you might consider them as heretics or even non-Muslims. Likewise, Shia Muslims, Ismaili Muslims and others do not consider you as "fellow muslim"; they might consider you as heretic or even non-Muslim. Iraq is divided to Shia and Sunni Muslims.

2. They don't exclusively target children, and it doesn't matter to the bombers if children are among the casualties. The bombers might have lost their own children in conflicts (i.e. Shia vs. Sunni sectarian conflicts) where the other party killed their children, or their children do not have a future in occupied Iraq. Some of the bombers could be Iraqis who used to rule when Saddam Hussein was president; they could be those who lost many or everything.

3. To them it isn't suicide; it's martyrdom or commando operation. It's funny that special forces carry out similar operations, yet no one implies it's suicide. A special force could be part of an operation they know there's 100% probability of death and even the probability that they might have to detonate bombs that will kill themselves. It has happened many times in recent (Gulf Wars, Iraq & Afghanistan invasions/occupations) and past (WWI & WWII) wars.

4. The psychic or reasoning is, the enemy has superior strength (arms/weapons), and to exact the maximum casualties, a martyrdom/commando operation is one of the methods to do it. Such operations also have a psychological impact (insecurity, instability, uncertainty, etc). Yes, they think they are fighting jihad.

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby Basra- » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:09 pm

rabanam do u ever have "short" answers?? :|


"If a Muslim puts your life at risk, and it comes down to either he/she kills you or you defend yourself and kill him/her, then you will be justified to defend yourself and kill him/her"



SO a random innocent muslim in the market-- shopping for Moos and sambuse---that muslim is a threat to you & these idiots?? its irrational. You are irrational rabanam. :roll:


"3. To them it isn't suicide; it's martyrdom or commando operation"


Good answer. I accept it. You & "they" call it martyrdom or commando operation-- i call it dellusional hopes to heaven. I call it terrorist acts. :clap:



"Yes, they think they are fighting jihad."



Good answer. :up: :up: So u proove my point-- they are dellusional.


In short u cannot reason with dellusional, mental unstable terrorists. :clap:

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Re: Suicide bombers...

Postby rabanam » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:21 pm

Basra, they don't call it martyrdom or commando operation, and it isn't what they or you call it; to them it's martyrdom or commando operation. There's a difference between the two. You claim they are mental unstable terrorists, if so, why aren't they sent to the hospital for psychiatric treatment instead of torture at Gitmo?


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